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  Post #16 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 04:44 PM
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Man, those are fighting words right there.
Yes indeed. Hard to ignore them when you receive them in an email.

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I think we should setup an anonymous domain (nothing too obvious), buy some ad space in pingZine! to market the new "product" and after the publication goes out, redirect the domain to the whole story, and expose him, and WHT's unethical actions.
frytimmyatthestake.com is available.

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They would have been putting Tim in a pine box, in the ground.
Believe me, as a father, that was my first thought. But we all know that would not have been the best solution for my family. Having me thrown in jail for taking someone out would not serve my family well. All I can say is he's lucky he's 2000 miles away. Had he been around the corner, the outcome would have been significantly different, as I would have reacted more impulsively.

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  Post #17 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 06:54 PM
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Yikes, those messages go way beyond being unacceptable, Vito. Bob sent me a link to the original thread at WHT and I simply didn't know what to say - I was speechless. I think you are quite right going to the police over this and taking it as far as the law will allow you. Hopefully Tim can be prosecuted.

Coming from a former Community Leader at WHT, I think I can safely say that the entire community is behind you

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  Post #18 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 07:53 PM
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That's just completely disgusting, and entirely unacceptable from anyone person, no matter what state of mind they are in. Hopefully with this evidence you have against him, that freak will be taught a lesson.
 
 


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  Post #19 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 09:05 PM
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Yikes, those messages go way beyond being unacceptable, Vito. Bob sent me a link to the original thread at WHT and I simply didn't know what to say - I was speechless. I think you are quite right going to the police over this and taking it as far as the law will allow you. Hopefully Tim can be prosecuted.

Coming from a former Community Leader at WHT, I think I can safely say that the entire community is behind you

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So why hasn't he been banned yet?
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  Post #20 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 09:14 PM
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While I'm not speaking on behalf of the WHT Staff, but I'm pretty sure they're debating over it, and looking all the information that has been presented to them. Since this was done through email, and not directly through WHT it becomes a tricky issue. You have to consider; what will banning him from WHT accomplish? The means of communication are still there. If any kind of irrational attitude is out there, it needs to be directed at his ISP, not WHT or any particular administrator. WHT didn't provide him with any means of communication on the internet, his ISP however did. I'm sure whatever decision the WHT Administrators make will be one that is well thought out.

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Hi everyone.

Most of you know me from around the traps. Be that WHT or elsewhere. Most of you would agree that I'm a fair and reasonably balanced chap with a slightly twisted sense of humor and a hard work ethic.

Ok, so far so good.

My following comments are not condoning the deplorable and disgraceful acts of Gen-T. As a father of 2 daughters, I can tell you they made my blood boil. I am trying to detach myself from such emotions with this post, as I just want to make some clarifications on some statements made, for the sake of the public record and those darned google bots.
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WHT supports child molesters.
I would disagree with that statement. It's factually untrue.
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There was a thread on WHT in which an admitted child molester tried to apoloigze to a member for his acts . . .
No act of child molestation was committed. I understand that legal steps have been taken that will bring Gen-T to account with his actions, in regards to making a sexual threat against a minor. It's obvious Gen-T knows the girls are young, and made threats accrodingly. Gen-T will face the consequences of his actions, and feel the full force of the law, and that will most probably involve serving a jail sentence.
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SWR, SoftwareReview it seems was the one who did the deleting and the one who suspended my account at WHT for speaking the truth.
The problem was your "truth" was an accusation that WHT supports child molestors, by the removal of a thread posted by Gen-T, that was getting ugly with a capital U. You're attacking them with the pretext of a false accusation. They do not support child molestors, by the removal of Gen-T's apology thread, and the subsequent removal of the string of other threads that followed.

IMO, Gen-T's apology thread should have been closed after the first post, and left at that. There was nothing to be gained from the volitile discussion that followed. It was quickly turning into a real flamefest, and emotions were boiling over.
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Gen-T, a member and Moderator of WHT . . .
Gen-T has never been a moderator on WHT. He was only a Community Guide. Only Community Liaisons and Community Leaders are moderators.

What I'm trying to say, is I believe it's not accurate to claim that WHT support child molestors, or that they are protecting Gen-T in any way, by the removal of those threads. WHT mods cannot really ban someone for actions performed outside of WHT. That's a slippery slope indeed.
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  Post #22 (permalink)   11-20-2005, 09:36 PM
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I doubt they are debating anything. They stick up for their own. This is why SWR chose to remove the thread.

They're brilliant for allowing the bashing of the innocent, as long as it's not a WHT staff member, who actually deserves it.

When a WHT staff member steps out of line, you had better keep it to yourself, because what will typically end up happening is you get banned for pushing the issue.

They are of course free to do or say anything to you, that they wish. This, unfortunately, became so, after many of them were placed on iNet's payroll, rather than remaining volunteer. Robert Marsh didn't pay mods, and wouldn't have stood for this. He has been known to remove mod rights without question, when he knew his mods were wrong.

It's just too bad that iNet, and WHT see more importance in the dollar, than in someone's well-being. I have found that since the iNet takeover of WHT, WHT has lost it's sense of community, it's sense of almost a big family, and it's ethics. This just adds to everything.
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While it's apparently that you have some kind of pre-conceived notions on the issue, and some WHT staff members, I can assure you it is being debated, and many options are being weighed. I would kindly suggest that you just drop your apparent attack at WHT, and view the issue with an open mind. It's clear that Gen-T did something totally out of line here, but what does WHT have to do with it? The only way WHT is involved is because Gen-T posted an apology there. In no other way did WHT have anything to do with what happened.

It's awful that this happened, but you need to direct your attention to the proper authorities, and that's not WHT, Dennis, Jan, or iNet. It is clearly Gen-T's ISP and the police.

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I doubt they are debating anything. They stick up for their own. This is why SWR chose to remove the thread.
We can only guess, Mark why Dennis removed the thread. But, WHT has been a huge beast for over 5 years now? So, I would imagine there isn't a first incident of something of the like happening. If you do something the first time, and its done correctly you must do it for all of the others. Its really a "understood rule" among administrators/mods, and each thread of the like is dealt with the same matter. No matter who the postee is.

Vito, I believe I already expressed my concern in private with you.
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Well, I'm not wrong, as far as my personal experiences are concerned. Maybe according to your experiences, that may sound inaccurate. However, when I first heard about Gen-T doing this, I was also floored and couldn't bring myself to completely accept it, because he has never given me that impression, when I have personally communicated with him on various levels.

Everyone's experiences, perception, and realities are different, thus there is no way you can "assure" me that my statement was wrong.
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I doubt they are debating anything. They stick up for their own. This is why SWR chose to remove the thread.
I can guarantee you that no WHT mod considers Gen-T as "their own". They have no motive for coming to his defence, if they decided to.
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. . . This, unfortunately, became so, after many of them were placed on iNet's payroll, rather than remaining volunteer.
Do you have any evidence to back that up? I would be really interested in knowing if some of the WHT Leaders do actually get paid.
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How are you able to "guarantee" this Bob?
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Well, I'm not wrong, as far as my personal experiences are concerned.
We may seem correct to one, and wrong to another. Each has their own opinion which makes the situation only even more difficult for the administration.
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Maybe according to your experiences, that may sound inaccurate. However, when I first heard about Gen-T doing this, I was also floored and couldn't bring myself to completely accept it, because he has never given me that impression, when I have personally communicated with him on various levels.
I've saw what happened previous with Gen-T, and I know he was capable of doing it again. It's not my place to judge him, as I've never met the guy personally other then saw his posts and his "drunken rage" beforehand. And now - this time.
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Everyone's experiences, perception, and realities are different, thus there is no way you can "assure" me that my statement was wrong.
Which is why I'm quite glad I'm not the one who has to make the decision. But, whatever they do, is supported by me.
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How are you able to "guarantee" this Bob?
Let's look at the bigger issue. What would make you think that they do want to support Gen-T?
 
 


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Let's look at the bigger issue. What would make you think that they do want to support Gen-T?
The same reason perhaps that makes me think that they support Unmetered Ads perhaps althought their rules clearly state they are against them? I mean with that example could you not agree that is a double standard of sorts of WHT/INets part? And once one double standard is set I think it can be safe to assume that there MIGHT...JUUUUST might be another double standard of sorts correct?
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