Sure vbulletin looks more sleek and php has more exposure to hacks but all the vbulls i see are waiting for cyustom hacks or racketing thru bad mods.
what is a designer to do?

ofcourse vbulletin i can sort forus like that

ipb > vbulletin > smf > phpbb

Off topic Speaking of phpbb... i just got an email saying there is a new version...

Back on topic: I think vB if far more safer then any other type of forum software, i also think its much better, it has alot of more features, cracks, hacks, ect.

I think vBulletin is the most advanced and safer paid forum script. IPB comes next, PhpBB is far down as many exploits of phpBB are appearing everyday.

I think vBulletin is. I have worked with their support department in the past on some issues and they really seem to try to keep their product secure

vB by far. Simply because the team puts a lot more time into securing the scripts and software. They release a lot more updates when new exploits are found.

ipb doesn't compare to vb

IMO vBulletin forums are more secure than phpbb. There is a level of hackability with any open-source software. vBulletin is with is not open source so it has better security than phpBB.

the reason i love php is because of the hacks. that is why it is the best.