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  Post #31 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:00 PM
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I never said that so many corrections etc took place, if you look at the XMail and cPanel tutorials, you can see that some are changed almost beyond recognition, whilst others are similar. As I was primarily there to make it more professional, and some of the tutorials were fine as they were. I do not claim to be copyright expert, rather someone who likes writing and likes words.

I really think that Nathan needs to post something now, I have done my best to present my view etc, but this appears to be a long-standing dispute way before I arrived on the scene. So I'll leave the floor open to him, and if you want anything else from me i'll keep viewing this thread until it is resolved.
 
 
 


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  Post #32 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:10 PM
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I do not claim to be copyright expert, rather someone who likes writing and likes words.

You claim to be an experienced "content writer".
There is a huge difference between writing content and modifying copyright material.
It doesn't take a "copyright expert" to know this.
 
 
 


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  Post #33 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:12 PM
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The XMail tutorials are similar I agree, but I will quote my previous comment that it is very hard to tell someone to click a button without any similarities. XMail was indeed one of the sets that I reworded slightly to make it more professional. Granted they are similar and granted that I can see that they probably have been copied in the past. I wasn't denying that, I was saying that Nathan had realised this and had hired someone (me) to reword them slightly to avoid problems like the one here.
Honestly, I am having trouble staying patient and civil in this thread, since the evidence is so blatant and so obvious. But I will indulge you in the interest of keeping the thread on track.

Here are my caption text entries:

Frame 2 - This tutorial will show you how to use WebMail in cPanel (copied verb****)
Frame 3 - There are several ways to access Webmail for your POP accounts ("several" was changed to "some")
Frame 4 - One way is to point your browser to http://www.yourdomain.com/webmail (of course, replacing yourdomain.com with your actual domain) (marginal word swaps)
Frame 5 - Another way is to go to your Mail Management area and login from there (different, but same)
Frame 6 - And finally, you can click here to go directly to WebMail (incidental word changes, but essentially the same)
Frame 7 - Depending on the your server configuration, you may have a choice of a few mail programs to help you manage your mail. In this example, we will use SquirrelMail (reorganizing my text, but the same text)
Frame 9 - OK, let's get started. To better organize your email, you can create folders in which to store your messages (same message, just reworded)
Frame 15 - You can make it a top level folder, or a sub-folder of an existing one (same with minor changes)
Frame 19 - Let's refresh the Folder List to see the new folder we just created (just reworded same message)
Frame 21 - As you can see, you have successfully added a top-level folder (just reworded same message)
Frame 22 - For convenience, you may add names and addresses to your Address Book (just reworded same message)
Frame 34 - To send Jane a new email message, simply click on her address and a Compose Email window will open with her address already placed in the To field (virtually verb****)
Frame 35 - SquirrelMail allows you to set your mail preferences (different)
Frame 36 - As you can see, you have many options for configuring the way your mail is handled, and how your interface is set up (similar but different)
Frame 37 - And finally, let's compose and send an email (minor word change)
Frame 38 - Most of the fields here are pretty self-explanatory (virtually verb****)
Frame 46 - We have sent ourselves an email. As you can see, it is now waiting for us in our Inbox (virtually verb****)
Frame 48 - Once you have read the mail, you can store it in a folder, forward it, reply to it or delete it altogether (virtually verb****)
Frame 49 - And of course, when you're all done, don't forget to logout (virtually verb****)
Frame 50 - That's it!<br>You are now able to manage your mail in WebMail (virtually verb****)

Mark, taking an entirely "ripped" product and making a few token word changes does not make it original content. You should know that if you are an "experienced" writer. Changing "you have" to "you will see" does not constitute original text. The entire movie is still a rip. For crying out loud, surely there are different ways to cover Webmail. But when democentre's tutorial follows my exact topics (show different ways to login, select squirrelmail, make a folder, refresh folder list, add a contact, set preferences, send an email), it is a blatant rip. They have clearly watched my tutorial and copied it. For heaven's sake, they even copied the new folder called "Work" and the new contact called "Jane Smith" with "jane@hotmail.com". Honest to God, if you can't see that, well, then we have nothing more to discuss. Sheesh.

Frankly, I think you are doing yourself a great disservice by aligning yourself with this issue. By association, I/we can only draw logical conclusions about you.

One thing I know for sure. If some other provider had already produced a Webmail tutorial, and then I went to create one myself for my business, chances are, that unless I intentionally copied it, the odds would be 1000 to 1 that I would have ended up with the SAME path through the product, especially given that Webmail is so feture rich and has so many topics to cover.

Do I really have to explain this any more to you??

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  Post #34 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:15 PM
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Ah - must have just missed the post by Blue when I posted my last one, I will reply to it here:

Sir, this comment is not needed:
"I didn't need some weakling to come ask me to bail them out.
There is no bandwagon jumping here other than you signing up to a forum to support your thief buddy. I have know Vito for quite a while now and I will back him any day against the likes of you children."


You do not know me, which is of course obvious as I do not post here, I did not "jump on a bandwagon" either then, I came to present what I thought and new, which favoured Nathan more than DemoDemo. I know that the original content was stolen, it was obvious, but that was not what I was arguing if you would read my other threads properly, I was saying that Nathan made an effort to try and get rid of the copyright infringements - I'll make it bold so hopefully you read it.

"You are indeed a plant. You stated yourself that you were contacted to post here. You have also admitted to stealing material from other sites. "
Yes, I was told to come and post my side of the story here, but my story is nothing but the truth of what happened. How have you drawn the conclusion that I have stolen material...really puzzles me how you drew that. I will not even dignify this with a response as I have already posted it in many threads. But please do not launch personal attacks against me, I am trying to be professional in the best way I can, I don't really care about the outcome of this dispute, I just want to post what I believe to be the case with my evidence for me doing so.

You were not objective. You came to this forum because you were solicited to and now you are defending your own illegal practices
I do not have any illegal practices, unless content writing is illegal then sorry.

You claim to be a "content writer" and yet you still take jobs to "reword" copyright material "slightly".
You are a scam artist, period. You have no credibility.

Again that is slander and the only basis you have is what I have previously said. I will say again to make it more clear for you. I agree that the material has been copied from DemoDemo originally, although I doubt by Nathan, once the original dispute came out, he posted on another forum for a content writer. I applied and he asked me to reword and make the cPanel and Xmail tutorials more professional. As well as ensuring that they were not too similar to the following sites:
www.demodemo.com
www.demowolf.com
www.onlydemos.com
www.cheapdemos.com
www.anydemos.com

I can quote all the emails between the two of us if you want. Even provide the full headers so you can verify them. I have nothing to hide.

"Perhaps you missed Vito's earlier posts.
Nathan is an arrogant child who basically told Vito to go **** himself when he was confronted with his illegal content. Nathan made no attempt what so ever to change the content and he has even stated that he steal more content"

Again I do not know of Nathan's previous actions, I just came to defend Nathan on this particular issue, if he did indeed say that then you might as well disregard my comments, as I am not aware of other dealings by Nathan just the ones between me and him which lasted for about 2 days whilst I completed the work.

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  Post #35 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:19 PM
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Ah missed vito's reply as well - too slow lol

That WebMail tutorial is actually not my work, I have checked on my files which have the existing and my updated versions on there, and that is not what it says. I guess I have nothing else to say in this matter as it looks like they haven't be updated yet. I can provide the original and my updates, although i'm sure that Nathan won't like that. If you want me to please PM me etc. I did not make the movie etc etc - i've delt with that by saying that without a doubt the original tutorials were copied.

I will bow out of this then.
 
 
 


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  Post #36 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:26 PM
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Yes, of course I do realize that the original tutorials were not your work. However, my objection to your position is that slightly rewording copyrighted material does not make it original content. It is still stolen material. And associating yourself with this only harms your credibility.

What DC needs to do is start from scratch and create their own original tutorials, as it should have been done to begin with
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'nuff said.

(Damn, this has given me a migraine...)

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  Post #37 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:29 PM
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"slightly rewording copyrighted material does not make it original content. It is still stolen material. And associating yourself with this only harms your credibility"
Agreed - unfortuanatly I did not really watch the movies, just looked at the text. That is why I have decided to bow out of this, I sent you a PM if you get chance to read it.

Thanks to those who tried to actually discuss things rather than be counter-productive.

I hope you all find a speedy resolution to this, as this is not beneficial to anyone.
 
 
 


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  Post #38 (permalink)   06-25-2006, 04:30 PM
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You do not know me, which is of course obvious as I do not post here, I did not "jump on a bandwagon" either then, I came to present what I thought and new, which favoured Nathan more than DemoDemo. I know that the original content was stolen, it was obvious, but that was not what I was arguing if you would read my other threads properly, I was saying that Nathan made an effort to try and get rid of the copyright infringements - I'll make it bold so hopefully you read it.
If you had read the other posts you would know that Nathan made NO effort to change the violations.
He hired you to slightly modify copyright material.
You even admit to knowing it was stolen material and that you were hired to modify it and not to write original material.

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Yes, I was told to come and post my side of the story here, but my story is nothing but the truth of what happened. How have you drawn the conclusion that I have stolen material...really puzzles me how you drew that. I will not even dignify this with a response as I have already posted it in many threads. But please do not launch personal attacks against me, I am trying to be professional in the best way I can, I don't really care about the outcome of this dispute, I just want to post what I believe to be the case with my evidence for me doing so.
My conclusions come from your own words and the words of Nathan.
They are documented and irrefutable.
Whether or not you choose to "dignify" them is irrelevant to me. You have no dignity when you choose to steal the work of others.

Again that is slander and the only basis you have is what I have previously said. I will say again to make it more clear for you. I agree that the material has been copied from DemoDemo originally, although I doubt by Nathan, once the original dispute came out, he posted on another forum for a content writer. I applied and he asked me to reword and make the cPanel and Xmail tutorials more professional. As well as ensuring that they were not too similar to the following sites:
www.demodemo.com
www.demowolf.com
www.onlydemos.com
www.cheapdemos.com
www.anydemos.com

Since you are such an accomplished content writer I would expect you to know the difference between SLANDER and LIBEL. Try to get it straight before you argue it.
You knew that content was stolen from DemoDemo. You tried to modify it slightly rather than writing original content. You try to justify it by saying that other sites copy the content.
Where is your credibility? You have none.

You may be a decent person and have good intentions. If this is the case then don't let yourself be dragged down by the sleazy likes of Nathan.
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markjut, if Person A commits a murder, but pays Person B to clean up the blood in the room (Person B knows there was a murder), that would make Person B an associate in this crime. As a writer myself (previously), I just cannot understand how you can even edit work that you know was stolen. Especially that you knew the material is copyrighted.

I think the misconception lies exactly where Blue pointed out above:
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You claim to be an experienced "content writer".
There is a huge difference between writing content and modifying copyright material.
It doesn't take a "copyright expert" to know this.

EDIT: It looks like you started to see the difference. Actually, Vito has previously also shown proof of Nathan NOT trying to act on it (from the material published on another forum which was soon after removed), or solve the copyright issue. If anything, his reactions and behavior were completely inappropriate and rude.
 
 
 


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Oy!

Well, I do have to side with markjut on one thing....
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...but, there are only so many ways of saying how to do things
I have to agree there. When the products the demos are for do not change the methods in which certain tasks are done, the tasks and directions will of course be the same. This is already limiting. Then as stated, there truly are only so many ways you can describe the same task instructions.

Now, that's not to say that batant copying of the content is okay. It is to say however, that they should be expected to be similar. Afterall, they are demoing the same products.

On to a few other things now:
markjut, you claim to be an experienced copy/content writer, but I have yet to see a post from you, that uses proper grammar. Did I miss something, or is proper grammar no longer an issue when writing content?

Something I also wanted to point out...
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Again I understand not wanting to go to court due to international boundaries and I hope to, now that I am dragged into this, that an amicable solution is worked out, it would be better for both parties
You were not dragged into anything as far as I can tell. You were asked to come here, and then voluntarily did so. You placed yourself into this conversation.

Now on to DemoCentre...

I should remind you that when you are "not a small player", you don't have to put a billboard up telling people so. When most of your correspondence is telling people how "big" of a player you are, there is a good chance you're just the kid that nobody picked to play the game.

Just remember, you're not a big player unless other people say or think you are. Just because YOU think you are...it just makes you dillusional.

Spammers do this same thing...We hear it all the time on our company forums...
"I'll take you to court."
"You made a big mistake."
"I'm not small time"
"I have a lot of money"
"I know a lot of people, and no one will buy from you anymore"
"My group of attorneys...."
"I'm taking legal action"
"This is rubbish"
"I was only trying to help by posting my unsolicited offer"

There must be a handbook rippers, spammers, and thieves. "Common Statements and Methods to Use When You're Caught"

"Rule #1-5: Chapter 1:
Try to pretend you are a big company with millions of dollars. This will undoubtedly scare the person opposing you, into giving up.

If they don't believe you and tell you so, accuse them of libel. If you don't know what "libel" means, don't worry, use the word anyway, as chances are, no one really knows what it means. This will no doubt scare them into giving up.

If they still oppose you, threaten to take them to court, and pretend to have a plethora of attorneys at your disposal. This will definately scare them into backing down.

If this doesn't scare them, resort to posting slanderous statement about them, but make sure to tell them you're going to do so first, as this will no doubt scare them into backing down.

If they still haven't backed down, and all else fails, get a friend to post on your behalf. This will no doubt get them to back down."
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