Get Paid to Participate - up to $1 per post!     Twitter     Facebook     Google+
Hosting Discussion
 

forgot password?



Reply


Old
  Post #1 (permalink)   06-07-2007, 08:44 AM
HD Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 12

Status: TravisT is offline
I think where overselling gets a bad image are from those companies that come out and offer the "Unlimited" bandwidth and disk space packages. However, I know that while building up my client-base I need to keep overhead down by either using a reseller account or a VPS. I will get something larger when I have enough clients to justify moving (ensuring that I do not get too close to my resource limit). Did some of you larger companies start out by overselling your allowed resources? Or did you jump straight into a dedicated server and just tried to market well to quickly build up clients and bit the bullet on your overhead?
 
 
 


Old
  Post #2 (permalink)   06-07-2007, 04:46 PM
HD Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: B.C, Canada
Posts: 363

Status: Harry is offline
I had a reseller and oversold just a little bit. None of my clients ever went over the limit for their account. It really depends on what the user requires in terms of resources. I never got in trouble or stuck into any bad position overselling wise. You just need to know your limits and depending on how many clients you have, it sometimes might not be a bad idea to oversell. I wasn't expecting to have TONS of customers at all. Just a smaller userbase, based off my reseller account.

A dedicated server is a good idea, if you are overselling. Just because moving over from reseller to dedicated, can get really annoying for your users. People hate having to move over or wait for services. So depending on what your strategies are just be sure you plan it all long term

All the best.
 
 
 


Old
  Post #3 (permalink)   06-10-2007, 06:55 PM
HD Amateur
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 68
Send a message via ICQ to DonHouston Send a message via AIM to DonHouston Send a message via MSN to DonHouston Send a message via Yahoo to DonHouston

Status: DonHouston is offline
Actually,
When I started in the business, I never oversold. I use to run my own company a few years ago and I was given low limits on space and bandwidth so I had to learn then what many companies don't seem to understand now. No person out there is going to need a ton of bandwidth for a low cost. I use to have a policy when I ran my own business. The policy was if you could buy a brand new HDD with that my space (THAT WORKED) for that price I would offer it. Sadly no one ever was ever to show me a HDD for the price they were asking for. Now of course we all know that bandwidth is measured in different ways so.... But the point is that those individuals who want 300 GB for 2.00/month are not going to get it from me. I just don't see how a business who uses that much bandwidth a month is crying about anything higher than that price. I mean unless they just do not understand that some of our features cost money. Oh Well. Thats my story,
__________________
URLhost.NET : Shared & Reseller Web Hosting since 2004
PHP 4&5 - cPanel - Fantastico - RVskins - RVSite Builder -and more!
 
 
 


Old
  Post #4 (permalink)   08-07-2007, 05:05 PM
HD Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 27

Status: CrystalVPS is offline
I think very few hosts don't oversell but then there is (at least in my opinion) 2 forms of overselling:

firstly a little bit of contention, but not enough to degrade service (usually at the network level) and secondly hyper-overselling where even if everyone used only 5% of their allowed space then the server would simply fall over (albeit due to full disk, maxed io or similar).

We don't oversell anything on our VPS (although there is contention on the network uplink the VPS don't notice any degradation of service due to this). Dedicated servers, what can you oversell? most networks (at least in my experience with UK networks) have more than enough capacity available to allow for a server to use all its monthly transfer and more.

The interesting part arises at shared hosting, on our small shared hosting platform we expect a user to use 75% of their resources but all servers have space for extra hdd and RAM if needed as opposed to maxing the server in terms of disk and ram then piling it high, as this gives us a last resort if a server is using a lot more io or whatever. Obviously then if you're offering reseller accounts then the reseller can start overselling but there's very little you can do there
 
 
 


Old
  Post #5 (permalink)   08-08-2007, 06:55 AM
HD Wizard
 
ldcdc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ploiesti
Posts: 3,112

Status: ldcdc is offline
Quote:
Obviously then if you're offering reseller accounts then the reseller can start overselling but there's very little you can do there
Disable overselling, limit the overselling factor, or undersell enough to compensate the overselling of resellers would be some of the options. Not that a bit of overselling is likely to hurt anyone.
 
 
 


Old
  Post #6 (permalink)   08-10-2007, 10:23 PM
HD Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 176

Status: .amaZe is offline
No, I did not get started by overselling. Dedicated clients see past the oversellers, because they realize that the plans they see are impossible to maintain. They will always come to the host with realistic plans.
__________________
Nixism Web Hosting | where clients matter.
99.9% Uptime Guaranteed.
cPanel X w/ Fantastico De Luxe, AWStats, more...
Unlimited Domains, Emails, Sub Domains, more...
 
 
 


Old
  Post #7 (permalink)   08-17-2007, 05:19 AM
Rob
HD Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 276
Send a message via AIM to Rob Send a message via Skype™ to Rob

Status: Rob is offline
No we did not start by overselling either. We have never oversold on our servers and never will do. Nor do we offer hosting at ridiculous prices of 2.00 a month for 300GB space and bandwidth. We set limits of how many users are allowed to be on a node at any one time which ensures each user can use their guaranteed resources without degradation in service.
__________________
Rob G.
Chief Operating Officer
Peartree Digital Media Solutions
 
 
 


Old
  Post #8 (permalink)   10-31-2007, 08:13 AM
HD Amateur
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 53

Status: indyamail is offline
We have never oversold and don't believe in doing so. However, each person is allowed to his opinion and since the overselling debate can continue forever and ever (until a law is passed)...I feel there is nothing really wrong in overselling as long as you have a backup ethical contigent plan for when the user starts using more storage or bandwidth than you have really..(like immediately upgrading and NOT dumping the client off).

Regards
__________________
IndyaMail.Com - Proud to Be Indian, Proud to Be Worldwide.
IndyaMail VPS, Resellers and Shared Hosting
IndyaMail Email Service
 
 
 


Old
  Post #9 (permalink)   11-12-2007, 06:12 AM
HD Amateur
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 55

Status: mr_brain is offline
I am selling vps, but I do not oversell them. This will only make problems and customer will leave and refund, if they payed via moneybookers or paypal.
 
 
 


Old
  Post #10 (permalink)   12-23-2007, 05:29 AM
HD Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8

Status: amdcomms is offline
I have never oversold any of the services that i offer to clients . As other posters have said , you will see more dedication from your clients if you can provide them with the service that they pay for. They want there website to load fast and to be availible all of the time. Also they want high quality support any time of the day or night incase something goes wrong
__________________
Amd-Comms
Fast UK Cpanel Shared & Reseller Hosting
http://www.amd-comms.co.uk
 
 
 


Old
  Post #11 (permalink)   12-27-2007, 12:12 PM
HD Amateur
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: http://www.geekrack.net
Posts: 61
Send a message via AIM to $alesMan Send a message via MSN to $alesMan Send a message via Yahoo to $alesMan Send a message via Skype™ to $alesMan

Status: $alesMan is offline
Well GeekRack had alot of start up oney from the owners. We bought 3 servers and and quickly made deals with the datacenters to get the lowes tpossible prices and then start selling and past savings to customes. We did not oversell and we make it clear we do not oversell. Now we are growing at about 26 new servers a week. (because of our high volume of dedicated servers)
__________________
NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH GEEKRACK>
 
 
 


Old
  Post #12 (permalink)   12-27-2007, 04:07 PM
HD Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17

Status: SuperBytes is offline
We have never oversold since launch. We, like geekrack, negotiated awesome deals with our datacenter (only 1 server atm) and we're passing savings onto our customers that way, but without overselling.

IMO overselling = lying, but I see why so many hosts do it.
__________________
Nick Barrett, Super Bytes CEO
Super
Bytes, Super Service
Super Bytes: Virtual Private Servers (VPS)
99.9% uptime \ 24/7 support
 
 
 


Old
  Post #13 (permalink)   12-30-2007, 09:11 AM
HD Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 150

Status: rebelnet is offline
can you please define overselling? -- i think this will cause a difference for a lot of people

WHAT REALLY IS OVERSELLING??
__________________
REBEL NETWORKS
Geek Powered Hosting - The Cloud Made Simple
SuperHero 24 |7 | 365 Support
Please Visit us @ www.rebelnetworks.com
 
 
 


Old
  Post #14 (permalink)   12-30-2007, 09:16 AM
HD Management Staff
 
Artashes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,721

Status: Artashes is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1maverick View Post
can you please define overselling? -- i think this will cause a difference for a lot of people

WHAT REALLY IS OVERSELLING??
I am no master of definitions, but that doesn't mean I can't access Wikipedia.

Overselling is a term used in the web hosting industry to describe a situation in which a company provides hosting plans that are unsustainable if every one of its customers uses the full extent of services advertised. The term is usually referred to the web space and bandwidth transfer allowance.
 
 
 


Old
  Post #15 (permalink)   12-30-2007, 02:38 PM
Rob
HD Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 276
Send a message via AIM to Rob Send a message via Skype™ to Rob

Status: Rob is offline
Just expanding on what Art said,

Say company X is offering 300GB space and 6TB Bandwidth for $5 a month - they dont expect you to use that much space (chances are you will never) so they thinkthey can oversell.

If all the clients on the server actually used up 300GB Space and 6TB bandwidth, unless the hosting provider had a HUGE HUGE NAS and a huge bandwidth allowence from their carriers, they would run into a hell of a lot of problems.

What i may do sometime is get one opf these huge cheap accounts from one of the providers and actually attempt to fill up 300GB space - if i get shell access to be able to create directories and copy them and download files using wget or ftp it should not be a problem.

If i do do this i will let you know how i get on
__________________
Rob G.
Chief Operating Officer
Peartree Digital Media Solutions
 
 
 
Reply

Thread Tools

New Post New Post   Old Post Old Post
Posting Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Sponsored By: