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  Post #1 (permalink)   06-23-2007, 10:14 AM
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You know the trend of new companies stealing content from bigger and more established firms? Yes, that one. A month-old company that wants to sound like a big industry player. I personally find it not only ridiculously funny, but very sad at the same time. Why do these companies have to go to the extent of stealing information and presenting themselves as something they are not, when it would seem they would do so much better and be so much more attractive to potential customers if they would be honest and say: "Sure, we are a recent startup, but we try hard and we know how to earn your business." Just because they have nothing to say, or don't know how to say it, doesn't mean they should steal the wording from others.

The other day I got attracted to 2 particular sales threads on another forum that came from companies that doesn't necessarily oversell as big as other outlets. After looking at their sites, it was clear they didn't put too much effort into them, but when I clicked on their About pages - it hit me - suddenly those companies sounded way too serious. I was very much impressed. So out of my best intentions of proving myself wrong of such stereotype, I headed to Copyscape.com. The result was, well, the stolen content from other more established firms.

From a customer perspective (and I am talking for myself only), when I consider a hosting company, the quality and the state of their website matters to me just as it matters what the quality of their hosting services might be. So just as I would ask about their uptime or speed of their support desk, I publicly asked both of these companies why their content was stolen (and obviously provided links to the original). That seemed reasonable enough to me. The result was one of those infamous instances when you realize you are dealing with a non-professional outlet run by the under-aged kid. Instead of addressing the problem and answering the question, I got one of those "mind your own business" answers: "don't ask irrelevant to sales questions!"

Fine, I wasn't going to argue, but what was impressive is how quickly other "kid" operators jumped in their defense, asking me to F.O. And, surely enough, a complaint sent by sales thread author earned me an infraction from moderators (still turns my stomach every time I think about), and my post was deleted.

Seeing how unionized the reaction of these kiddie operators was, and knowing that someone who steals will not get much support here at HostingDiscussion, I decided to post the same examples here. Maybe I am in the wrong - you be the judge if the content is stolen or not. But you are definitely not getting the answer from them.

ORIGINAL:
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http://www.platinumservermanagement.com/AboutUs.html

(first sentence) PlatinumServerManagement, formerly known as FastServerManagement, is the pioneer in providing low cost and full featured server management & monitoring services.

(last paragraph) Our incredibly low rates make server management and monitoring affordable for everyone. We realize the need for you to keep your expenses down, and therefore we take that into consideration in our pricing structure. Although our pricing structure is incredibly low, our service is 'top-notch', we GUARANTEE it! Take a look at some of our most recent Testimonials.
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http://www.tech4server.com/about.php

Tech4server.com, is looking forward to be the pioneer in providing low cost and full featured server management & monitoring services. Our team offers production level administration services for business minded individuals.

We support customers that are located all around the world, and in any data center. Our incredibly low rates make server management and monitoring affordable for everyone. Tech4server realizes the need for you to keep your expenses down, and therefore we take that into consideration in our pricing structure.
ORIGINAL:
http://www.greenlush.com/company
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http://www.plusbrain.com/about.htm
Both Company Information and Focus - too much too copy.
 
 
 


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  Post #2 (permalink)   06-23-2007, 02:23 PM
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Wow, That is heart wrenching. And I would fight the infraction on that forum because if I can prove it to be stolen then it not need be on the forum. Also contact the original owner of the content and let them know the situation. I am sure if they come down thier tunes will change.

Yes I know about kids in the business. Unfortunately I had a run in with one couple weeks ago with my second Job. It was more of a headache than anything.
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Wow, That is heart wrenching. And I would fight the infraction on that forum because if I can prove it to be stolen then it not need be on the forum. Also contact the original owner of the content and let them know the situation. I am sure if they come down thier tunes will change.
You know, Don, a year ago I would have really cared and tried to fight the infraction. But not only do I see it as a waste of time, but I will be arguing with the same kind of people who approve this sort of actions in the first place.
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Yes I know about kids in the business. Unfortunately I had a run in with one couple weeks ago with my second Job. It was more of a headache than anything.
I have had my share of headache when someone stole content from my other website, but after sending legal papers to site owner and web hosting firm hosting the content, it was taken down.

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  Post #4 (permalink)   06-23-2007, 06:36 PM
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Good find..

I know exactly how you feel.. For a while now I see these new companies popping up.. and the owners quite clearly are very good designers.. but not very good creative writers. The end result is a professionally designed website, with stolen content..

Some even try and make it out that they own a DC, but not explicitly stating the DC name, rewording a few things and putting up a few pictures..

It is absolutely ridiculous..
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  Post #5 (permalink)   06-23-2007, 06:51 PM
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I agree, i mean if you can steal other content, why should the clients trust you, My company is new and we believe in honesty and trust, here is what we have plastered on our front page

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Elite Host UK is a new company dedicated to delivering you with the best possible web hosting experience, we provide free hosting*, paid hosting, reseller accounts and dedicated servers, we also provide low cost domain name registration, available from just $8.88 per year.
Our dedicated support team are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and have been specially trained to deal with every support issue possible.

We not only guarantee fantastic support to our clients, we also guarantee at least 99.9% uptime, so what are you waiting for?
And guess what, we STILL get new clients, I am using WHMCS at the moment and according to that, my estimated annual income is $839.40, which in my eyes isnt bad going for a new company, we currently have 1 dedicated server client, and 13 paying/free clients and thats since 09/June/2007 (that was the date we registered the domain but we did not launch for 5 days after that )

There is nothing more important than a good relationship with your client, regardless of who it is, and honesty is always the first step to success in life (well technically coming out of your mothers womb is the first but you know what i mean )
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  Post #6 (permalink)   06-23-2007, 08:08 PM
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I had a client joined us for all of two hours decide to pilfer our TOS and a few lines of the site. I sent them a letter letting them know that it would be the only correspondence from me and that the next would come from my lawyer and the text was removed quite quickly. The sad thing was, they forgot to take out our name in the first place. This is how a very kind individual alerted us to the issue.

It's very frustrating to see this level of downright theft out there. I feel your pain about the virtual uselessness of tackling the issue because often people simply don't care and legal fees aren't worth it.

It pretty much comes down to being a sort of symbol for the negative side of our industry. So many are in it to make a quick buck. There's nothing wrong with writing your own material to perhaps sound a little more professional than a reseller, but don't hijack someone else's hard work. At least ask permission when it comes to something like a TOS/AUP.
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You know the trend of new companies stealing content from bigger and more established first? Yes, that one. A month-old company that wants to sound like a big industry player. I personally find it not only ridiculously funny, but very sad at the same time. Why do these companies have to go to the extent of stealing information and presenting themselves as something they are not, when it would seem they would do so much better and be so much more attractive to potential customers if they would be honest and say: "Sure, we are a recent startup, but we try hard and we know how to earn your business." Just because they have nothing to say, or don't know how to say it, doesn't mean they should steal the wording from others.

The other day I got attracted to 2 particular sales threads on another forum that came from companies that doesn't necessarily oversell as big as other outlets. After looking at their sites, it was clear they didn't put too much effort into them, but when I clicked on their About pages - it hit me - suddenly those companies sounded way too serious. I was very much impressed. So out of my best intentions of proving myself wrong of such stereotype, I headed to Copyscape.com. The result was, well, the stolen content from other more established firms.

From a customer perspective (and I am talking for myself only), when I consider a hosting company, the quality and the state of their website matters to me just as it matters what the quality of their hosting services might be. So just as I would ask about their uptime or speed of their support desk, I publicly asked both of these companies why their content was stolen (and obviously provided links to the original). That seemed reasonable enough to me. The result was one of those infamous instances when you realize you are dealing with a non-professional outlet run by the under-aged kid. Instead of addressing the problem and answering the question, I got one of those "mind your own business" answers: "don't ask irrelevant to sales questions!"

Fine, I wasn't going to argue, but what was impressive is how quickly other "kid" operators jumped in their defense, asking me to F.O. And, surely enough, a complaint sent by sales thread author earned me an infraction from moderators (still turns my stomach every time I think about), and my post was deleted.

Seeing how unionized the reaction of these kiddie operators was, and knowing that someone who steals will not get much support here at HostingDiscussion, I decided to post the same examples here. Maybe I am in the wrong - you be the judge if the content is stolen or not. But you are definitely not getting the answer from them.

ORIGINAL:

STOLEN:


ORIGINAL:
http://www.greenlush.com/company
STOLEN:
http://www.plusbrain.com/about.htm
Both Company Information and Focus - too much too copy.
Inspite of you being on the management staff here you did not know that a sales thread is for questions regarding the sale .

As for the copying is concerned , we only took a few points , the entire content was NOT copied from PSM . We have a staff of 5 level 3 technicians and an annual income of around $20,000.

And there are people whose posts are like this :
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=479235
Sure they know about kids in the business because they are one .
 
 
 


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Stolen content is stolen content period. Pretty simple concept to understand don't you think?
I would love to know how you pay 5 level 3 technicians with 20k of annual income.
Do they work for candy?
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they work part time on a per task basis . Moreover we are growing at a fast rate

if you could search for copies of your website: http://hampshirehosting.ca/ in copyscape you will know how much content you have "stolen" . Merely using 2-3 sentences from another website doesnt amount to "stealing content" , moreover you have no rights to accuse us as you do not hold copyrights to the content .
 
 
 


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Please provide any "stolen content" you can find from my site.
You come here admitting to taking content from another site and you want us to think that is ok. Well you can justify all you like.

I hope you treat real employees better than these mystical part timers who seem to work for peanuts.

You seem to be that EXACT epitome of the kiddie host that Artashes is talking about.
Steal, lie and generally BS people and then try to justify it because "everyone else" is doing it.
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Inspite of you being on the management staff here you did not know that a sales thread is for questions regarding the sale .

As for the copying is concerned , we only took a few points , the entire content was NOT copied from PSM . We have a staff of 5 level 3 technicians and an annual income of around $20,000.

And there are people whose posts are like this :
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=479235
Sure they know about kids in the business because they are one .
What does your income have to do with copying? Is $20k supposed to astonish us? $20k annually won't even cover my server costs, nevermind staff wages.

As mentioned before, copying is copying. It shows lack of creativity and imagination.

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Moreover we are growing at a fast rate
So what? Who cares? It is not the topic of discussion here. What does this have to do with anything at all?

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moreover you have no rights to accuse us as you do not hold copyrights to the content .
Come on, this is just getting pathetic now. We have no rights says the random guy on the net?
You just admitted to copying - so I am going to exercise my right to free expression/speech, and accuse you of copying

Where some people get their logic from is beyond me..
 
 
 


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Inspite of you being on the management staff here you did not know that a sales thread is for questions regarding the sale .

As for the copying is concerned , we only took a few points , the entire content was NOT copied from PSM . We have a staff of 5 level 3 technicians and an annual income of around $20,000.

And there are people whose posts are like this :
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=479235
Sure they know about kids in the business because they are one .
I am sorry, which company do you represent exactly?
Your link also goes to a thread that has little to do with the subject of this thread.

No matter who you represent, however, taking even "few" points, according to you, is not an OK thing. All content is automatically protected by law the moment its created.
 
 
 


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I am sorry, which company do you represent exactly?
Your link also goes to a thread that has little to do with the subject of this thread.

No matter who you represent, however, taking even "few" points, according to you, is not an OK thing. All content is automatically protected by law the moment its created.
Please direct me to that law , And which country has these laws .
 
 
 


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Please direct me to that law , And which country has these laws .
Your reply shows 2 things:

1. You are avoiding the reality by not answering simple questions (like I asked you in my previous post - which company do you represent exactly - my guess is www.Tech4Server.com), and do not even understand what the subject of this discussion is. The excuses you find and questions you ask do not only come off childish, it really makes me feel sorry for your customers who might run into a conflict with you.

2. You have very poor knowledge of what copyright is. A copyright is internationally enforced. There is no country that would not take it seriously, as almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. Copyright under the Berne Convention must be automatic. You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_C...Artistic_Works For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The default you should assume for other people's works is that they are copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. (http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html). And here is the list of countries which have signed and ratified one or more international copyright treaties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_treaty_table


Now that I gave you a free lesson, the most amusing things is that not only you don't deny stealing the material, you are still trying to find an excuse for your act of theft. Do you not grasp the concept?
 
 
 


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It's because many people, especially these teen kids want to make some quick cash. That's all it is about in the end. Yes, there are some young people, who "really" want to get into the industry. However, many of them just want the quick cash and want to put in the most least effort possible. Meaning, not replying too quickly to support requests, copying content and giving a extremely cheap rate. To them it's not about business at all, it's all about the quick cash.

I agree, it's a very sad time for the internet these years. Back in the day everyone respected each others work. Things have just changed now, especially with almost everyone having access to the net. I hate to say it everyone, but things are only going to get worse as years go by us.
 
 
 
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