everyone here is making me frustrated, all you do is comlain then you help out all the companies you hate.

If you hate these companies so much then stop answering posts that "starting new buisness" or "newbie needs help" or whatever.

All the people that help these other people out are the same ones that complain, take the first post in this thread, if someone said to you "i want to start a web-hosting company, can u help?"

My instant answer would be "no" i am not ranting and don't want any respect but no gave me a damn thing when i started and no one helped me, i knew what i wanted, i knew what to do and here i am.

Next time any of you see a post like i am talking about why not just reply, "wait, get more experience do not jump in"

and ya know what, reseller accounts are not fo idiots, yes they are easy but there is no way in hell i would let some newbie resell on my server i don't need his money that bad, don't suggest to people that don't know anything to get a reseller account, if they don't know Sh** then say "your in the wrong feild"

i could really care less if the post start an argument because i won't reply to anything!

If you won't reply to anything then your post is pretty useless. Why even bother bringing it up?

Since you did bring it up what problem do you have helping a newbie if they ask for help?

You say no one helped you when you started up. How can that be true? How did you get into business? You must have read something about it or participated in forums. Are you saying that the people who wrote what you read didn't help you?

I see nothing at all wrong with someone asking for help here. That is the first step to any business. Asking for help.
You say the standard answer should be "wait, get more experience do not jump in" but how can they get more experience if no one will help them?

I personally am happy to help any newbie or veteran with any questions they may have.
I would think that would be part of your service if someone wanted to set up a reseller account with you as well.

Personally, I'm not so insecure in my business that I am afraid of newcomers.

Well "blue" lol

first off i am not in the mood to argue that why i said i will not reply, but it does not stop such as yourself from wasting people times

For your informationi had a freidn in the web-hosting buisness, but we grew apart and many years later decided i would give it a shot, but since we no longer talked he did not help me, i did read up but i did not go to forum and ask from help

and no one here is insecure don;t say that to make yourself feel better, but people are tired of fly by night hosts that take our customers, can't give them proper support with their limited reseller option or knowladge, then go out of buisness and make people think twice about the hosting industry as a whole.

And from now on fully read a topic and fully understand it before you speak, because me and everyone else that reads your reply is gonna see that you have no idea what your talking about, when did i say i have a problem helping a newbie?

I said that people that DO are the same people that will complain a couple treads later, go ahead quote me so you look bad!

And the proper way to get into a business is not go to forums and ask, i don't care how many people (probably yourself included) did it that way, how bout school? How bout computer science.

If i want to be a mechanic i won't go to a mechanic forum and try to learn all i can and expect that when i got for a job interveiw that they will be happy with the level of experience i have.

Just like if you have to tell a customer that you learned all you know by going to forums and asking, do you really think they will applaud you, or say wow, good job?

No, actually they will think twice and start wondering how secure their website really is with you.

If you want to go back and forth all day then lets go i can already tell your that kind of person, or am i jumping to conclusions like you did with my thread?

Rapid Host, I'm actually surprised you do not consider asking for help a good strategy when going into business. This is even what they tell us in one of the best business schools in Canada, that is what numerous successfull entrepreneurs tell students to do: Ask for help.

Because most of the time, people WANT and they WILL help when asked for.

You surely can try and go into business on your own, but think about how many mistakes you can ignore by asking for advice from those who passed all those steps already.

Best,

And yet you did reply.
A man of his word.

Its not that i did'nt want help its just that everyone finally does that one thing that they say "i'm doing this on my own, i don't need help, donations or encouragement"

and blue, are you quick to judge a person onthe fact that they replied to somethig they said they would not?

You just love to jump to conclusions and think you know so much, i do want to leave it be but i am not gonna let you say whatever crap you want because you think i won;t defend myself, your crazy i won't let you say anything bout me without my defense and if you do your a coward and can;t confront me, thats why your last post stated

"And yet you did reply.
A man of his word."

why? because you have nothing left, your wrong, don't get me wrong its great you wanna help people, may'be your not the kind that helps then complains, i just think you totally jumped on me about what i was trying to say.

Take it easy, Rapid Host.

HD Rules: 3.1 Be respectful to other users and avoid personal attacks.

Blue, as far as I can read through his posts, did not show any rudeness towards you.

Best,

ok ok i am sorry, no i don't think he was rude at all but he did jumo the gun he said and i quote

"You say no one helped you when you started up. How can that be true? How did you get into business? You must have read something about it or participated in forums. Are you saying that the people who wrote what you read didn't help you"

moving on

"Since you did bring it up what problem do you have helping a newbie if they ask for help?"

when did i say i had a problem with it?

sorry but things like this fire me up, whats blue talking about here?

He was not rude and i am sorry to blue and others who think i am being rude.
if i say no one helped me, take my word for it, do not second guess me, your not me and do not know what i went thought to start my company

i am not trying to be rue but if someone says this

"If you won't reply to anything then your post is pretty useless. Why even bother bringing it up?"

of coarse i am gonna reply, then he proceds to say this

"And yet you did reply.
A man of his word."

But anyway..........

Apology accepted , Rapid, but hey, no one argues that you started your own business and went through the process yourself.

But these are your words: "For your informationi had a freidn in the web-hosting buisness, but we grew apart and many years later decided i would give it a shot, but since we no longer talked he did not help me, i did read up but i did not go to forum and ask from help"

"I did read up" - looking from a neutral viewpoint, this is what Blue meant - he meant that if you read at least something on how to run/start your business, someone had to write it back in the day and those who wrote it helped you since you've gained knowledge to be able to run successful operations.

But since the majority of any businesses are getting opened and run not without consulting or external advice, this is nothing major if someone helped you. In most cases it is actually a norm.


I hope we clarified the misunderstanding and we can all move on.

Best,

i admit when i am wrong and over-reacting.

I now look @ it as a mis-comunication

i was specifically talking about going to forums and just reading post and asking questions, aparently 'blue' ment research of any kind, and in that case i definetly did 'research'

Hope i have not given everyone (especially blue) the wrong impression about myself

Don't worry about it. We're all open-minded individuals.

Rapid Host, my only problem with your post was the tone.
You seemed to attack people who help newbies. I just don't understand the rationale of not helping out.
1) These guys are probably going to start up the business anyway.
2) Everytime a lousy host appears it hurts the whole industry.

Therefore, I choose to help/guide these people because I would rather see them succeed and improve the industry than fail and leave a whole new group of potential customers with a bad taste in their mouth.

Blue, as always, thinking 20 steps down the road.

Even though the first post in this thread by Rapid Host, was pretty choppy (I'm presuming English is not the Mother tongue due to the number of Spelling errors), there was a kernel of truth in the post.

With the advancements made in Server Control panels and much lower entry costs for Servers, too many people are thinking they can start a Web Hosting business because they can operate a computer at home and got a couple of hundred dollars in their pocket. They usually figure they can do everything through a Control Panel and, if they run into a problem they will ask at Forum(s) to get all the answers they need.

That is wrong for all kinds of reasons and these type people usually bail pretty quick, when the problems start to happen. Unfortunately, it's the Clients of these type Hosters that get burned -- as well as creating a bad image for the Web Hosting Industry in general.

Although I enjoy helping people with various problems, I have found myself getting into the habit of qualifying. If I make a suggestion, to someone who says they "run" their own Server/Hosting business, about doing something in Shell and the person responds along the lines of, "What is shell?", then I point out they need to get some book learning and hands-on experience. Getting a ServerAdmin for their Server & current Clients in the meantime, is not a bad idea either.

If a newbie asks questions, I'll give my opinion. Maybe it helps and maybe it doesn’t. I believe that knowledge is an accumulated and valuable resource that should be shared.

If these newbies open some basement-run company and I find myself in the position of trying to explain the differences between them and us...I'll be annoyed. And I may post my grievances, looking for peers who are in the same boat and can sympathize. But I would never consider NOT sharing what I know, because I don't think that will eliminate the competition. I don’t mind ever changing competitive environments. I would rather swim in a fresh watering hole, than a stagnant one.


If anything, newbies usually crash and burn, making the more established companies look better. The more people are burned by crap hosting companies, the more they start to look for companies like ours and understand what differentiates us. Once burned, they appreciate the differences and they are willing to pay for quality and reliability.