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  Post #46 (permalink)   10-06-2012, 03:54 PM
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supernix, I understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is - any company out there can start an affiliate program paying $100 in commission per sale. The bigger the commission, the higher the motivation of website owners to expose those companies.

Having said that, there are definitely hundreds of other smaller operators that are excellent hosting providers deserving the attention. While they can add themselves to these review directors, they are not getting the deserved attention due to low or no commission offered. You can start a new brand tomorrow and the day after be listed as #1 hosting provider across hundreds of directories if you give out $250 per sale. It is all a matter of how much cash you are ready to burn to establish yourself on the market.

See that is one thing I am talking about since you do say that someone can easily decide to pay $100 or more for a sale that however isn't feasible business wise. You would have to have well over a year to recoup the money spent just in an affiliate fee.

This could easily lend someone over to being sued for unfair trades practices. There has been companies that have been sued in the past for just such behavior. I forgot what they called it in business class. But suffice to say you can't just up and start running your company at a loss with the intent of starving other smaller businesses out of business. This is essentially what is going on. Go Daddy is a major offender in that respect.
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I know everyone is probably thinking how naive that all sounds. And actually that is correct.

While it is all a nice idea and the way it should work the real world we live in is everyone buying their way to the top and telling any lie to get their. I just wish that all was not effective and that everything was really a lot more honest and ethical.
 
 
 


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You obviously didn't read the article.
The FTC has made it clear that you must disclose your relationship with the company you endorse.
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Mr FTC i sell advertising/links and the more the advertiser pays i give them a higher spot on my site.
this quote would tell the FTC what relationship exsists and is 100% legal.

As I am in the UK, not clear on FTC, but we do comply with UK legislation. we dont list on any 'top' 'best' sites as when we did with 1 we were contacted asking to pay then so we can be placed within the top ten, we refused and requested our details removed from their site.
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Go Daddy is a major offender in that respect.
they are not the only one

ebay
paypal
123-reg

are another 3 major companies that have got too big for their boots and think the law does not apply to them as they have written policies (they dont understand that any company can write policies, but the law can overide these)
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But suffice to say you can't just up and start running your company at a loss with the intent of starving other smaller businesses out of business.
This happens every day in the real world by major corporations where they will set up subsiduary companies to run at a lose to take out competitors.
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I guess the best way to fight that then is to get all the smaller hosts together and pitch in and put together a super site with top notch SEO efforts to expose them.

PaymeIwillsayanything.com LOL that would be a good one.
supernix, no need to do that .. add your company to <URL snipped> and we will review your service and talk to several former and current customers. If your service is good you will get to the top of the list automatically without paying any advertising or commission.
 
 
 


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I look at this site and try to find what is different when it comes to the reviews. Your top 5 matches or closely matches most revenue driven hosting review sites

Site Ground - $80-$150/signup depending on amount of sign ups per month
BlueHost - $90
HostPapa - Up to $200
Eleven2 - $50-$150
HostGator - $100/sale

I guess I would definitely feel better if your top 5 was different from others I see online.

In my opinion (and a lot of others), BlueHost, Host Papa and Eleven2 fall way short of HawkHost, KnownHost, MDD Hosting and a lot of the other less known, but better quality hosting companies. You know the hosting companies that know there is no such thing as unlimited hosting or knows you can,t pay $100 commission on $119/yr hosting account and run a successful business unless your slamming 700 or more accounts on a server and skimming from the affiliate approvals.
Thanks for this insight. I don't know if you noticed that BlueHost and HostPapa are marked explicitly as sponsored? and their score is not Excellent?

As for Siteground their score is Excellent because they deserve it. I have been hosting four Prestashop websites with them for four years now ... thier servers are very fast, uptime is 99.99% and the support go with you the extra mile to solve your problems.

I'm also wondering if you took a look the rest of the list ... HawkHost scored 93% Excellent, and a lot of hosts that don't pay commission at all.
 
 
 


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supernix, no need to do that .. add your company to ****** and we will review your service and talk to several former and current customers. If your service is good you will get to the top of the list automatically without paying any advertising or commission.
stop pushing you site as this is classed as self advertising which is against forum rules
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The problem is that such Top 10 Hosting websites are mostly exposing almost the same brands, so for the people who know less how to choose a good hosting provider, they seem as the only choice to trust to.
I guess today one of the proper methods of choosing the provider correctly is to explore hosting related forums, though it's also considerable that many forum posters are also affiliated!
 
 
 


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I guess today one of the proper methods of choosing the provider correctly is to explore hosting related forums, though it's also considerable that many forum posters are also affiliated!
this is all too true these days, but as 9/10 reviews on forums will be negative and not many people post positive issues on forums, so a host may have 5 neg reviews on a forum but also have 1000 satisfied clients, but as prospective clients only see 5 negs they avoid them, also onsite reviews and testimonial cannot alway be trusted as some host fake these.

so the best way to find a good host is really 'word of mouth' and 'trial and error'
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Thanks for this insight. I don't know if you noticed that BlueHost and HostPapa are marked explicitly as sponsored? and their score is not Excellent?

As for Siteground their score is Excellent because they deserve it. I have been hosting four Prestashop websites with them for four years now ... thier servers are very fast, uptime is 99.99% and the support go with you the extra mile to solve your problems.

I'm also wondering if you took a look the rest of the list ... HawkHost scored 93% Excellent, and a lot of hosts that don't pay commission at all.
I did notice the top 3 were sponsored, but you know as well as I do that the top 3 positions get the most clicks and would generate the most revenue. Hence, the top 3 positions in Google are sponsored then they start giving organic results.

So siteground.com is top because they deserve to be or because they are sponsored?

If HawkHost scored better than BlueHost and HostPapa, then why not place them in the top 3 instead (sponsored or not)?

Also, read reviews about HawkHost and SiteGround and the only negative mark that HawkHost received was for control panel - they use the industry standard cpanel (just like siteground)? I have to wonder if they got that negative purposely just to keep them from page one since they pay so little?

FYI - not on a HawkHost kick, just using them as an example and not using my own company to keep discussion more honest on my end.
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going off your guru score your top ten should not be

SiteGround 97%
HostPapa 84%
BlueHost 83%
Eleven2 97%
HostGator 95%
Host1Plus 95%
Yola 94%
Hawk Host 94%
CoolHandle 94%
WireNine 94%

but more like

SiteGround 97%
Eleven2 97%
HostGator 95%
Host1Plus 95%
Yola 94%
Hawk Host 94%
CoolHandle 94%
WireNine 94%
HostPapa 84%
BlueHost 83%

so see how $$ talks
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That is kind of add why you would have a top ten list that isn't sorted by user ratings or at least based on their ratings that you have.
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That is kind of add why you would have a top ten list that isn't sorted by user ratings or at least based on their ratings that you have.
so whats the point of the guru % score as this is what most people would go by as its made sure it is large enough to stand out. also if you look at "nabeez" comments he seems to be just using this forum thread to advertise and push his own site.
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going off your guru score your top ten should not be

SiteGround 97%
HostPapa 84%
BlueHost 83%
Eleven2 97%
HostGator 95%
Host1Plus 95%
Yola 94%
Hawk Host 94%
CoolHandle 94%
WireNine 94%

but more like

SiteGround 97%
Eleven2 97%
HostGator 95%
Host1Plus 95%
Yola 94%
Hawk Host 94%
CoolHandle 94%
WireNine 94%
HostPapa 84%
BlueHost 83%

so see how $$ talks
I don't know what's the point you're trying to make here! are opposing the advertising concept in the first place? HostPapa 84% and BlueHost 83% are both SPONSORED and marked as such with different color, and yes because they paid money!! the score was not affected!

What's wrong with that?? even Google SERP has the same concept, companies who pay $$$ get at the top of SERP highlighted as ADS!

It seems that this discussion is going sideways based on the fact that people here are very judgmental and closed their mind and stopped thinking!

The discussion was at least a bit constructive when it started with Artashes, but now it's becoming meaningless!
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