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  Post #16 (permalink)   02-20-2016, 10:49 AM
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And I am wanting to still share the hardware, back end setup (OS, Control Panel, and auto installer for instance). Then have the dedicated resources virtually allocated.

I hope this help you understand that this is still a relevant subject line. It NOT like I asking for my own CPU, RAM modules, SSD(s) and/or HDD(s), NIC, and Ethernet cabling.
but as it is a shared environment then you wont be able to get and dedicated resources as all the resources are shared amongst all those on the server. that is the whole point of shared hosting, it is the cheaper option as you are sharing everything
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but as it is a shared environment then you wont be able to get and dedicated resources as all the resources are shared amongst all those on the server. that is the whole point of shared hosting, it is the cheaper option as you are sharing everything
In other words your saying that shared hosting does not promise ANY resources beyond the disk space and bandwidth?
 
 


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In other words your saying that shared hosting does not promise ANY resources beyond the disk space and bandwidth?
No shared hosting is ALL resources are SHARED between all in the environment. i.e. if you are the only 1 in the environment then you utilise all resources, but if 2 users are in the environment they resources are slit between the 2 etc, so more in the environment then the resources are shared with all.
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No shared hosting is ALL resources are SHARED between all in the environment.
But that still does not address "How much do I get OUT of a shared server?"

It like going to the store and they having "shared food" where they charge $x to get and they aren't telling you what your getting and just saying "well it depends on how many people ordered by the end of the day and then we will send you the equal share of it".

No where does that because we all want to know how much food our money will buy. So how much RAM/CPU/IO will my money buy??
 
 


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But that still does not address "How much do I get OUT of a shared server?"

It like going to the store and they having "shared food" where they charge $x to get and they aren't telling you what your getting and just saying "well it depends on how many people ordered by the end of the day and then we will send you the equal share of it".

No where does that because we all want to know how much food our money will buy. So how much RAM/CPU/IO will my money buy??
but that makes not difference you are asking for dedicated resources on a shared environment.
it is called a shared environment for a reason
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Okay then let's see where this goes
I need 256MB of RAM Total
I need 2MB/s amount of I/O
I need 25% amount of CPU
ALL resources are to be available to me and only me and I am only to be sharing the hardware components ONLY.

I also expects to have "pay as I go" resources as well (meaning if I just say need another x% CPU for instance I should be able to pay y additional monthly for it.
Here is the problem with shared hosting.
Whilst we can limit you to 256MB of RAM, 2MB/s I/O and 25% CPU, so you can hammer the hell out of it. (Using CloudLinux)
We cannot reserve it so only you can use it. As if all the sites suddenly got busy those resources too would be shared.


I'm not sure you can do much with 25% of a CPU core however, that's not great if you want your site to work well with many visitors.
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But that still does not address "How much do I get OUT of a shared server?"

It like going to the store and they having "shared food" where they charge $x to get and they aren't telling you what your getting and just saying "well it depends on how many people ordered by the end of the day and then we will send you the equal share of it".

No where does that because we all want to know how much food our money will buy.
The food analogy is a bad one. Unlike server resources, food can't be returned for future use once its consumed. If a site is using 25% CPU for 30 seconds at the end of the 30 seconds that amount is returned to the server for others to use.

A better analogy is a college dorm where everyone on a floor is sharing the same bathroom. If someone stays in the shower too long and a line forms down the hall, someone is in trouble

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So how much RAM/CPU/IO will my money buy??
Enough to support a web site suitable for a shared hosting environment. How much more do you need?
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Here is the problem with shared hosting.
Whilst we can limit you to 256MB of RAM, 2MB/s I/O and 25% CPU, so you can hammer the hell out of it. (Using CloudLinux)
We cannot reserve it so only you can use it. As if all the sites suddenly got busy those resources too would be shared.
I understand what you means so that why I posted as an offer as I know most just want to sell it as mere disk space and bandwidth instead offering a truly stable solution..
 
 


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instead offering a truly stable solution..
If a problem lies with a script - the hosting server won't be the problem.

Perhaps a specialised solution is what you want - hosting specifically catered to what script or CMS is what you want.
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If a problem lies with a script - the hosting server won't be the problem.
Excuse me but how did you get "script" issue from replying regarding the previous poster that had NOTHING to do with a script??
 
 


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The food analogy is a bad one. Unlike server resources, food can't be returned for future use once its consumed. If a site is using 25% CPU for 30 seconds at the end of the 30 seconds that amount is returned to the server for others to use.

A better analogy is a college dorm where everyone on a floor is sharing the same bathroom. If someone stays in the shower too long and a line forms down the hall, someone is in trouble



Enough to support a web site suitable for a shared hosting environment. How much more do you need?
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I have a VPS which I currently can use it to my heart's content. It was from an old deal in the past.

Thing is, I have 1 GB of ram and that's that. It's Linux and I use Swap for the additional resources. I use a desktop environment and Kloxo, and it works fine. I use NoMachine for RDP purposes. If you want truly allocated resources you can use your best bet would be either Xen HVM or KVM as an OpenVZ VPS gives all the issues you stated. Collabora offers Xen HVM, too. I guess you can make him a Xen HVM deal?

Sharing resources on VPS is a different deal than on shared hosting. As in, you can pay that $5/mo. and get a good VPS, with all those resources semi dedicated to you. IN shared hosting, you will have to return unused resources which is not a good deal either, as you are limited still per TOS/agrements. And plus they may have most limits. The only trade off is that a VPS with licenses can be more expensive and also the resources have to host the Operating System (OS).

You can still ask for an empty VPS and play with it to your heart's content. That's how I learned Linux, and also how I have learned my way through Android. If you have any failures your VPS hangs but you can be sure you can tweak any OS settings you may want.

As for all others, cPanel, etc, there can be a deal too? I don't need it, I'm happy with Kloxo or another free CP.
 
 


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I have a VPS which I currently can use it to my heart's content. It was from an old deal in the past.

Thing is, I have 1 GB of ram and that's that. It's Linux and I use Swap for the additional resources. I use a desktop environment and Kloxo, and it works fine. I use NoMachine for RDP purposes. If you want truly allocated resources you can use your best bet would be either Xen HVM or KVM as an OpenVZ VPS gives all the issues you stated. Collabora offers Xen HVM, too. I guess you can make him a Xen HVM deal?

Sharing resources on VPS is a different deal than on shared hosting. As in, you can pay that $5/mo. and get a good VPS, with all those resources semi dedicated to you. IN shared hosting, you will have to return unused resources which is not a good deal either, as you are limited still per TOS/agrements. And plus they may have most limits. The only trade off is that a VPS with licenses can be more expensive and also the resources have to host the Operating System (OS).

You can still ask for an empty VPS and play with it to your heart's content. That's how I learned Linux, and also how I have learned my way through Android. If you have any failures your VPS hangs but you can be sure you can tweak any OS settings you may want.

As for all others, cPanel, etc, there can be a deal too? I don't need it, I'm happy with Kloxo or another free CP.
I wished it was "that easy" just to spin up the VM but as you mentioned your responsible for the OS and everything within (administration) and of course paying for licensing..

Which is why I am looking for "best of both worlds" the resources dedicated but without the price of a fully managed VPS (you won't get ANYWHERE unless your start on a minimally $30 a month budget).
 
 


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Excuse me but how did you get "script" issue from replying regarding the previous poster that had NOTHING to do with a script??
I didn't. I re-read your first post. To be frank, a specialised solution is probably something you want.
Either that or up your budget to include a VPS fully managed. Management usually starts at $29 for reactive and $100+ for decent proactive.

As you've mentioned you want resources dedicated to you - that leaves out shared hosting. VPS is sort of dedicated - some providers have equal share CPU, whereas some dedicate cores.
RAM limits and such are in place as well. As luis123456789 said - you probably want Xen or KVM.

Alternatively, semi-dedicated web hosting may have what you want - but prices are more expensive for that sort of thing. There are hard limits in place as well - CPU/RAM/IO. Most of the time these limits are higher than what you get on standard shared hosting, and there's typically fewer customers on those servers.

For $5 per month, many shared hosts can do what you want - but the resources as mentioned are not dedicated to you. You will have limits in place for CPU/RAM/IO, etc. as well as the usual disk space and bandwidth.
Many hosts also oversell, it's rare to read a case where users cannot utilise all of their disk space and bandwidth, but it has happened.

The only truly dedicated resources is dedicated hosting. I don't know of any fully managed dedicated servers for $5 a month.

For your budget, only shared will suit.

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Here is the problem with shared hosting.
Whilst we can limit you to 256MB of RAM, 2MB/s I/O and 25% CPU, so you can hammer the hell out of it. (Using CloudLinux)
We cannot reserve it so only you can use it. As if all the sites suddenly got busy those resources too would be shared.
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Alternatively, semi-dedicated web hosting may have what you want - but prices are more expensive for that sort of thing. There are hard limits in place as well - CPU/RAM/IO. Most of the time these limits are higher than what you get on standard shared hosting, and there's typically fewer customers on those servers.
Why don't those companies promote me a custom lowered powered plan at my budget point if they offer those? I already stated what I am looking for in terms of resources as you quoted.
 
 


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Why don't those companies promote me a custom lowered powered plan at my budget point if they offer those? I already stated what I am looking for in terms of resources as you quoted.
Because dedicated CPU/RAM/IO costs money and you wont get these for $5 a month on a shared environment.

you still don't understand being in a shared environment then nothing is dedicated to a single users, i guess this has been an issue with other hosts you tired and why you will have the fraudrecord flag for 'support abuse' as the services you take wont do what you want so are constantly submitting support request.
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