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  Post #76 (permalink)   06-18-2017, 12:28 PM
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Running a fleet of servers with thousands of clients is not as simple as "pay a admin if you cant do it your self", you need to have good management, backup, security policies written upfront and your own team of staff to manage it. You can't simply reply on 3rd party admins to when you host this much of clients.
It is not 3th party admin..when you employ admin it is your admin,thats how things work..with growth you employ more and more people,but with reseller hosting you can't growth at all..well to some level you can but it is very limited.
My company provide hosting,VPS,and dedicated server on five continents.....and I started with local hosting company in 2010 selling shared hosting and vps in my country with 3.6 million citizens ..in that time our coutry had very poor internet market....even now it is poor,very little people buy online,in 2013 we expand to global market ..Company would be still there in 2010 without expanding own infrastucture,employing people etc...if someone want to be reseller forever,so be it ....but if want to growth than own infrastucture is must have,and at some point when company collect significant number of users ,moving to own infrastucture will cut costs...company can be more competitive....for example in our e-mail surveys many resellers told us that main reason to move to us was fact that we offer some very usefull free features like rDNS on reseller hosting for every dedicated IP,IP WHOIS for every dedicated IP.... up to 9 dedicated IP without asking questions(and submiting any forms) at same price we offer users who buy dedicated server and billed monthly..we provide free cpanel,cloudlinux,softaculous and rvskin or free Plesk,cloudlinux and softaculous licence with every dual E-5 XEON server....those are things that make different..and with todays competition it is more important than ever to have samo adventage,you can't offer that as master reseller...many things you can't provide at all at any reseller level.
Also I don't see fact that someone else is doing administartion and menagment for me as something positive,in 99% cases you don't have a clue who is behind,all reseller plans are very limited in every way...no control over overselling...well i could count till tomorow..and if I count positive sides..well there is only one..you don't have to mess with infrastucture..but I reapet I don't see even this as positive side,I really don't see reseller hosting as anything more than starting point ....
No company should be scared of growth and expanding,it is natural process,I don't even know even one company that started with reselling and stay on that level for while

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but if want to growth than own infrastucture is must have
I agree with you, resellers are bad option when you get vps as low as $5 from reputable providers like digital ocean or linode. Also you can learn much from your own infrastructure, you cannot learn through reseller.
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I agree with you, resellers are bad option when you get vps as low as $5 from reputable providers like digital ocean or linode. Also you can learn much from your own infrastructure, you cannot learn through reseller.
I think you would be much much better on a reseller account than on a $5/m VPS they are only good for testing and as you have have mentioned to learn stuff

If you really want to host clients on a VPS you should at least get a one with decent specs. Example:

4GB RAM
1-2 CPU's
100GB SSD Space

Cost: $25-60/mo ( Managed VPS)
cPanel - $15/m

Softaculous - 2/m

If you are going to offer a site builder it will also cost around $5-12/m

So total cost for per month would be around $50-75/m + you would also might need to spend some extra money for backups + Billing software etc.

This is why many hosts start their hosting business with a reseller account and remain as a reseller for many years.
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I think you would be much much better on a reseller account than on a $5/m VPS they are only good for testing and as you have have mentioned to learn stuff

If you really want to host clients on a VPS you should at least get a one with decent specs. Example:

4GB RAM
1-2 CPU's
100GB SSD Space

Cost: $25-60/mo ( Managed VPS)
cPanel - $15/m

Softaculous - 2/m

If you are going to offer a site builder it will also cost around $5-12/m

So total cost for per month would be around $50-75/m + you would also might need to spend some extra money for backups + Billing software etc.

This is why many hosts start their hosting business with a reseller account and remain as a reseller for many years.
you can get free site builders like site.pro.

my main VPS that is managed costs me $70 a month, but i also have 2 under $10 VPS (unmanaged) that run just as good
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you can get free site builders like site.pro.

my main VPS that is managed costs me $70 a month, but i also have 2 under $10 VPS (unmanaged) that run just as good
Yes offering a site builder can improve sales. Sitepro is good and SitePad would be better option if you are looking for a budget option
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Yes offering a site builder can improve sales. Sitepro is good and SitePad would be better option if you are looking for a budget option
I tested Sitepad (sitemush) and did not like it. i think softaculous is trying to do far too many things rather than just stick to 1 thing.

SitePro is free to a host with a limited free option to clients, but then can be upgraded by clients if they want. which is a great way to operate
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I'd prefer myself to use master reseller hosting. But would prefer alpha reseller hosting but its rare to find good quality master/alpha hosting. And its to expensive to use a vps especially if you don't have the customers to be able to pay for the vps.
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I'd prefer myself to use master reseller hosting. But would prefer alpha reseller hosting but its rare to find good quality master/alpha hosting. And its to expensive to use a vps especially if you don't have the customers to be able to pay for the vps.
VPS not that expensive about $20 for a VPS with cpanel. It would cost that for a decent master Reseller account
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VPS not that expensive about $20 for a VPS with cpanel. It would cost that for a decent master Reseller account
That all depends where your getting it from but for some people $20 is a lot if your not pulling in any profit from selling anything. I guess for most people it all depends on the persons budget.
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That all depends where your getting it from but for some people $20 is a lot if your not pulling in any profit from selling anything. I guess for most people it all depends on the persons budget.
but you would pay $20 for a half decent master reseller account these days
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For security reasons is better keep away from Master Reseller and Alpha Reseller plans. For some reason cPanel don't support those type of schemes that some scripts allow.
The problem is if you have serious customers with business and other content that don't know they are using a shared, from a shared, by a shared, platform. If one disappear...well....
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I wouldn't bother, too many security issues.
 
 
 


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I wouldn't bother, too many security issues.
It would depend on how you have the servers set up. some hosts offer Master Resellers without issue.
Like all hosting it is how well the host manages the services.

I no longer advertise Master Reseller accounts but still have WHMreseller on one of my servers (have lifetime licence) and still have 2 clients running as Master Resellers.

The thing to do is have it configured, so you restrict how many resellers a MR can have and then how may cpanel accounts each of them resellers can have, so you know how many accounts each MS will have under their account.
Like when i advertised MRs i allowed each MR to have 5 R accounts and then each R account to have 3 cpanel accounts, so knew each MR had a Max. 20 accounts under them. If a MR wanted extra accounts then just requested this through a ticket.
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