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  Post #76 (permalink)   02-07-2006, 12:26 AM
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Recently Anand has accused us of posting false reviews. I've honestly given up on this guy so I did not further investigate this. He later went on to say that it was hear say and Anand heard it from someone else.


Now in this thread (The one your looking at) heres some reviews polurnet mentions

webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=463879
iwebtool.com/talk/t8-polurnet-a.html
dnforum.com/f60/4-months-1-webhostingjury-trusted-dnf-polurnet-communications-specials-thread-132017.html
forosdelweb.com/showthread.php?t=362092
forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=395062&highlight=polurnet#post395 062
forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=494775&highlight=polurnet#post494 775
phplinkdirectory.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1809&highlight=polurnet
uniquewebmaster.com/showthread.php?tid=7&pid=1005#pid1005
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1001909&postcount=1
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1002111&postcount=2
http://namepros.com/showpost.php?p=1002565&postcount=22
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=153676
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=147872
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=112269
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=121522
http://namepros.com/showthread.php?t=112875
http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/web...g-company.html
http://www.freespacechat.com/t214-polurnet-hosting.html
http://webhostingtalk.com/showpost.p...54&postcount=1

+ 28 more at
http://www.webhostingjury.com/review...NET_Webhosting


Thats a combined total of 40 reviews. And I only spent a couple seconds looking.

40 reviews for a company that claims to have 200 clients. He said not too long ago that he had 200 clients on MSN however the exact quotes were lost when I fornatted my laptop (I have a desktop and a laptop I use).


Something else I find interesting is PolurNets "Parent" company CIAN Tech. http://www.ciantech.com/
I went searching for registration information on Polurnet and CIAN tech but couldn't find a thing. On Polurnet they claim to be based out of Montreal, Canada but I couldn't find a thing online about them. I also recall reading that CIAN Tech was based out of New Jersey or someplace in the US but I couldn't find any info on that either.
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And lastly, the "newsletter" that was or wasn't sent out.

Quote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "PolurNET Communications Administration" <info@polurnet.com>
To: <REMOVED FOR PROTECTION>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: PolurNET Communications Needs Your Opinion! [Fixed]


> Dear REMOVED FOR PROTECTION,
>
> PolurNET Communications is proud having you as one of our valued
> customers. The following email contains news updates and a special
> request to our customers.
>
> I ) ONE WEEK LEFT FOR CHANGE OF NAMESERVERS!
>
> For those of you who signed up BEFORE September 25, 2005, you may have
> received a notice informing you of the nameserver change and
> consolidation process. We presented a list of the new server names and
> their associated nameserver information to give you enough time to
> change your settings at your domain registrar. The proposed deadline,
> October 31, 2005 is nearly a week away, so please make sure you
> followed our instructions to change your nameservers as soon as
> possible.
>
> Just to remind our clients, the change ONLY affects those clients
> still using the "NSWEBHOST.COM" version of nameservers who must now
> use the newly updated "NSGLOBALHOST.NET" version. Both versions will
> continue to work, hence you will NOT experience any downtime or loss
> of data; the IP information associated with each nameserver is also
> staying the same.
>
> Therefore, to obtain more information on the change or to find which
> server you are located please check our official forums immediately
> (you must be registered first) at
> http://forums.polurnet.com/index.php?showtopic=61. If you do not know
> your current server name, please check your "Welcome Email" with your
> account information or email us at support@polurnet.com.
>
>
> II ) POLURNET NEEDS YOUR HELP! WIN GREAT PRIZES TOO!
>
> PolurNET Communications is committed in improving our overall level of
> service beyond what our customers expect. We need your opinions and
> ratings for us to use as feedback for our company and future services.
> We are asking ALL clients to take a few minutes to complete this brief
> 19-question survey:
>
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/s...rvey.php?sid=2
>
> As an incentive to filling out the survey AND posting your
> testimonial/review at
> http://www.webhostingjury.com/submitreview.php?id=305, we are offering
> the following prizes to be randomly awarded in the coming weeks:
>
> ================
> --> 1st Prize: WIN ONE FREE MONTH OF HOSTING! (approx value: $10-$25)
>
> --> Runner-up: WIN A FREE DOMAIN REGiSTRATION OF YOUR CHOICE
> (.com/.net/.org/.biz/.info/.name/.us) OR CASH VALUE (approx value: $8)
>
> Rules: Fill out survey and complete review/testimonial at
> webhostingjury.com. One prize randomly selected and announced in
> mid-November 2005. No purchase necessary. For full regulations,
> contact our administration at info@polurnet.com
> ================
>
> III ) NEWSLETTER : DID YOU RECEIVE IT?
>
> If you are a new or existing customer and did not get a chance to see
> our Bi-Monthly Newsletter, please see the HTML version at
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005 or TEXT version at
> http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/i...xt_version.txt (be
> sure to select "wrap" text on your browser for best viewing results).
> You should read the newsletter for important information or changes
> regarding our service offerings as well as special exclusive offers
> not available elsewhere.
>
> If you would like to make sure that you are receiving our emails,
> please send us a ticket at sales@polurnet.com asking for us to verify
> your email address and send you a test message. Be sure to check any
> spam filters you may have set to exclude the domain "polurnet.com".
>
> ------------------
>
> Thanks for reading this announcement. For further news & updates be
> sure to check our forums, http://forums.polurnet.com/ often!
>
> On behalf of all the staff and administration, we wish each and
> everyone of you much success on your sites and of course a Happy
> Halloween!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> PolurNET Communications Administration
> ==Avoid the Freeze, Enjoy the Breeze!==
>
>
>
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On the 26th of January this thread http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...light=PolurNet
started. After anon-e-mouse said
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Under instruction maybe?
I replied saying that we received reports of the chance to win incentives for reviews. This was on the 4th. Once I popped on MSN later during the day Anand messaged me. He wanted "Peace" between us yet I only mentioned his company in a negative way a couple times (the suggestion to fix the links was considered negative as well as me mentioning the newsletter incentive). This was the first time I ever mentioned publically about the newsletter and now Anand wanted to make a deal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PM From Anand
Again, all I want here is to come to terms and clarify, I don't want to pick any fights or anything.
He really wanted a deal
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSN Conversation
[12:46] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: c'mon you're canadian too. Let's put this to rest, and stop bashing
I thought great, these guys will finally leave us alone. Polurnet then agreed to publically apologize. And he did. At first I thought he was playing games, but then he did.

http://www.namepros.com/web-hosting-...incidents.html
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...=481272&page=2 (last post on page)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polurnet on Namepros
Just wanted to clarify that we apologize to John (jmweb) of ChronicHosting and wish to put any incidents that happened between us back in history. We hope to build a better relationship with them in the future, and wish them the best of success

We're certain this is a positive step in the right direction. The NP Staff were concerned about host-on-host fights, so hopefully these will be no longer be an issue with any webhosting company on Namepros, to build a stronger and friendlier community like no other forum has seen before
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polurnet on Namepros
I do respect you and your company, but want to make it clear we don't support any sort of incentives for reviews, which are solely from clients who wish to post themselves. I hope there's nothing personal between us anymore, and wish you all the best. Hope you'll accept this.
He agreed to apologize on WHT, Namepros and iwebtool. The 3 spots where him and his staff attacked us. He never did apologize on iwebtool but I thought nothing of it.

I thought great, now I hope to heck he keeps his side of the bargain. Worst comes to worst we'll be back where I started. We did talk a bit today and yes I was still pissed but I told him give me some time as his attacks lost a lot of potential clients.

Then the 5th comes

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSN Conversation
[13:55] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: You seem to think we're sending incentives, despite the fact that customers said we don't do so in any way. RJ was a customer from the start, and he received the newsletter shown here, our first version: (Link:
http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005/)http://www.polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005/
[13:55] John | Chronichosting.com: Look Anand.
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: thus, the newsletter you quoted from was some sort of non-published version or otherwise
[13:56] John | Chronichosting.com: unpublished?
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Exactly, none of the orignal customers received it
[13:56] John | Chronichosting.com: yet some of your clients received it.
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: How did you get it in the first place?
[13:56] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: I asked the original clients about it, since it was in oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSN Conversation
[14:11] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Again, amazing how no one left yet they came to you
[14:11] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Somehow they did, eh? Hmm
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: When will you quit your lying?
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: Look
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: this conversation is over.
[14:11] John | Chronichosting.com: The moment you stop lying, feel free to
contact me.
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Lying about what? When did people leave in the first place?
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Give me a date
[14:12] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: As far as I know, and I keep track of this on ModernBill, no one left to CH
[14:12] John | Chronichosting.com: ahhh so now, people have left, yet they never left to us.
[14:13] John | Chronichosting.com: Good day Anand.
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: They left for cheaper prices, sure
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: one left becuase he couldn't pay and wanted free hosting
[14:13] John | Chronichosting.com: ahhh
[14:13] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Sure, what does that have to do with CH?
[14:14] John | Chronichosting.com: Bye Anand.
[14:14] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: ?
[14:14] John | Chronichosting.com: I don't want to waste anymore of my time if your going to keep lying.
[14:15] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Look, what lying is going on here. Tell me some more information, I'm working with what I can here
[14:15] John | Chronichosting.com: Well
[14:15] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: Why do you think I apologized yesterday? To make things frank
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSN Conversation
[14:36] John | Chronichosting.com: Good bye Anand.
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: planned? I said by the
individual John
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: I can admit perhaps there was
someone on staff I fired at that time who planned something like this
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: THEY planned
[14:36] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: did we? NO!
[14:37] PolurNET Communications-Support & Sales: did they have access to our files? YES
[14:37] John | Chronichosting.com: Planned yet your customers received a
newsletter with the incentive in it?
In the end I calmed down a bit and said he needed to work on his Public Relations and if he'd do the right things I'd try and help him out.


Now I also thought I had more but I don't as my laptop was formatted recently thus I lost all log files.
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Now obviously some of this is out or order however at the same time I've honestly spent more time on this then I wanted too. Heck I didn't even want to get invovled with this thread but I did to clear my name. More is available, if I post it is a different story.


Anand has told me multiple things that I'd consider private along the way. For instance his total revenue, 5-10 of his clients (not via reviews). among other things. I am not going to get into it.

Polurnet has made comments about us before stating:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polurnet
has his own problems with fake reviews and domains pointing to enom parking pages (and they were never hosted with him in the first place according to whois history).
I will state that Polurnet has based his comments off our domain registrations. When we register a domain for a client we put OUR contact information in and not the clients. Therefore Polurnet feels we are registering domains and making up customer comments. I can ensure you this is not happening. However he is right about the domain pointing to enom. We had a domain name expire on us and it ended up being pointed to enoms parking page. Sad thing is Anand doesn't realize we have anonymous name servers, nor does he know all our dns servers.

MisDub: I am sorry you work for Polurnet but I wish you the best.


I am done and I want nothing to do with Polurnet and I wish Polurnet would stop all this crap. I am done with it.

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One more peice of evidence in regards to PolurNet attempting to make the blame placed on ChronicHosting and trying to make it look as though they were never hosting on NAC:

Quote:
b) jmweb's evidence is basically an alleged newsletter we sent, which he got from crazytech while he was with us. The newsletter I've researched myself, and the headers come from an IP sent from NAC datacenterm, which is the DC ChronicHosting uses. We are at Savvis/LayeredTech, so already it makes it look suspicious.
I then proceeded to tell them:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senad
1) I have evidence that you were hosted in NAC during this time. Your move to LT was only recent. I have full screenshots to back this up.
Only to get the answer of their initial response changed to:
Quote:
Oh, I'm not saying we weren't at NAC at all. We were for quite some time. However, the IP range doesn't fit the IP we used at NAC
Proof on their forums in regards to the move can be found at:
http://forums.polurnet.com/index.php?showtopic=141
I do have a screenshot of this.
Quote:
Tentative Schedule of Server Migrations from NAC to Savvis (Bionic):
Notice that he has done his side step shuffle during our discussions here as well which clearly show that he doesn't like to tell the full truth and alters it for his means when he sees fit. This is just to prove that he has a history of doing this.

I think it is crucial that you see a continuing pattern of behavior in which PolurNet side-steps the issue and alters it for their own needs as shown above.
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All decent forums also have rules against defammatory remarks, such as your continued use of the word "shill". NP Staff is already condemning such use of language, and they know you're self-interests

You seem to be blind without reading any of the posts that clearly demonstrate counterevidence. But of course, you've got no "incentive" in being neutral here, propagating more useless rubbish is your job. Unfortunately, this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the three of you who continually try to spread these rumors on the basis of jealousy, and in spite of having no real evidence yourselves.

A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services, who pretends no association to the seller and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers, unaware of the set-up, to purchase said goods or services.

It is not defammatory if it is true.
This thread contains a preponderance of evidence that you offer incentives for posting positive reviews of your company.
You continue to deny what we already know. Why will you not just admit your mistakes and move on. The issue isn't going to just fade away as long as you refuse to be honest.
One of two situations can be overlooked but in this thread alone there are dozens of situations that you are unable to explain away.

My only "self interest" is that hosts are on a level playing field. When hosts are dishonest and use shill tactics and who knows what other tactics I can and I will speak out against it. It's called protecting the industry.

No one here is jealous of you, I can assure you of that. What we are is angry that you continue these methods and then lie about the fact.
 
 


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A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services, who pretends no association to the seller and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers, unaware of the set-up, to purchase said goods or services.

It is not defammatory if it is true.
This thread contains a preponderance of evidence that you offer incentives for posting positive reviews of your company.
You continue to deny what we already know. Why will you not just admit your mistakes and move on. The issue isn't going to just fade away as long as you refuse to be honest.
One of two situations can be overlooked but in this thread alone there are dozens of situations that you are unable to explain away.

My only "self interest" is that hosts are on a level playing field. When hosts are dishonest and use shill tactics and who knows what other tactics I can and I will speak out against it. It's called protecting the industry.

No one here is jealous of you, I can assure you of that. What we are is angry that you continue these methods and then lie about the fact.
Interesting that he is now not coming to HD but instead he's PMing me lies at NamePros. Anad I will quote you this time but if you read this stop the PM BS game and post what's on your mind. And I call these lies as I will pick them apart here:


Quote:
Originally Posted by PolurNet
Hello,

Just wanted to inform of you this as a short reply to what has been added to HD's thread:

-Dub/Steven told me when we initially hired him that he was 19 years of age. It was on that basis we hired him first, and then considered his experience and skills. Also to clarify, we do pay hourly, we recently hired a 2nd level technicial specialist who worked at HostGator & HostingZoom in the past.

-The job offering thread on Namepros is rather outdated, and we have since changed our management and policies (including many firings/hirings which explains how the newsletter leak may have went out).

-Although the apparent newsletter that went out (so far the customers we asked who were with us since day 1, said they did not receive it, instead they only received the official weblink version on our site) contained the remark of incentives, we neither offered incentives nor $NP/PayPal/otherwise to customers for reviews. I do admit we linked to webhostingjury as a place for reviews quite freely/noticeably on our website, but did not force and/or actively encourage the posting of reviews. The WHJ link was advertised on our sig, ad posts, and website at that time. No incentives were given for these reviews, as they are also independently verified by WHJ staff to ensure accuracy. As all customers get the same public messages we send, many of the customers are staff from this forum (as I've said before): they do not recall getting such a newsletter and they are ready to clarify that they did not get any incentives for posting reviews in the present or in the past.

-Some confidential details about our company were provided to jmweb as he expressed interest in buying us out. Unfortunately, on the HD thread he did not mention such a context, and instead alluded that we divulged such information. FYI, the customer figure number he quoted is not the current level.

Those are the major points I wanted to clarify. Once again, we do regret the way things turned out from the beginning, but we're working on moving ahead for clearing up the mess that was started.

Thanks for your time, feel free to add this if you wish to the HD thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by PolurNet
-Dub/Steven told me when we initially hired him that he was 19 years of age. It was on that basis we hired him first, and then considered his experience and skills. Also to clarify, we do pay hourly, we recently hired a 2nd level technicial specialist who worked at HostGator & HostingZoom in the past.
1) BS story. He clearly posted this on different forums with his age. If you don't hire under age people then why is he still part of your staff? Your story is again attempting to side-step the issue.

Quote:
-The job offering thread on Namepros is rather outdated, and we have since changed our management and policies (including many firings/hirings which explains how the newsletter leak may have went out).
A few months ago is not out of date...

Quote:
-Although the apparent newsletter that went out (so far the customers we asked who were with us since day 1, said they did not receive it, instead they only received the official weblink version on our site) contained the remark of incentives, we neither offered incentives nor $NP/PayPal/otherwise to customers for reviews. I do admit we linked to webhostingjury as a place for reviews quite freely/noticeably on our website, but did not force and/or actively encourage the posting of reviews. The WHJ link was advertised on our sig, ad posts, and website at that time. No incentives were given for these reviews, as they are also independently verified by WHJ staff to ensure accuracy. As all customers get the same public messages we send, many of the customers are staff from this forum (as I've said before): they do not recall getting such a newsletter and they are ready to clarify that they did not get any incentives for posting reviews in the present or in the past.
Since most of your staff are at NP do you not possibly THINK that these staff/customers, whatever you want to call them for your own benefit now will not say anything? As dubs stated in his last post. He doesn't want to be out of a job. Could it possibly be that you sent that incentive newletters on a random basis? Possible and likely? Do most customer read the newletters or even remember what they read? Of course not. Also YOU asking YOUR customers means nothing as we have shown that you can clearly lie flat out. The apparent newsletter? You really like to live in your own lies do you not?

Quote:
-Some confidential details about our company were provided to jmweb as he expressed interest in buying us out. Unfortunately, on the HD thread he did not mention such a context, and instead alluded that we divulged such information. FYI, the customer figure number he quoted is not the current level.
Yes customer numbers change frequently in this business? So what's the point?

Quote:
Those are the major points I wanted to clarify. Once again, we do regret the way things turned out from the beginning, but we're working on moving ahead for clearing up the mess that was started.
Good luck because you will now more than ever need it.


As for me, I am done. I have proved my point and I deserve a nice long rest from this. Evidence was proven, accusations were proven, and the customers now have a right to know and see the actions of a host.
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Interesting that he is now not coming to HD but instead he's PMing me lies at NamePros. Anad I will quote you this time but if you read this stop the PM BS game and post what's on your mind. And I call these lies as I will pick them apart here:
I've PM'd on Namepros as I logged in from there initially after I read here. I now come here and will post the following reply-my last one

Quote:
1) BS story. He clearly posted this on different forums with his age. If you don't hire under age people then why is he still part of your staff? Your story is again attempting to side-step the issue.
I did not hire him from those threads. I only joined recently at FWS, and knew Steve from Namepros only. He was a customer @ pnet at that time as well. We hired him only when he sold erudnet, not previously. Since I only know about his age now after you quoted the above thread, we will take action.

[quote]A few months ago is not out of date...[/quotes]

Things change considerably since then, and did for us. As I said, we since introduced per hour employment, and thus shifted our previous policies.

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Since most of your staff are at NP do you not possibly THINK that these staff/customers, whatever you want to call them for your own benefit now will not say anything?
I said many customers are NP Staff (mods/admins), not the fact that our staff is mostly from NP (which is another fact). Since they were with us from day one, they likely have more credibility in vouching for us.

Quote:
As dubs stated in his last post. He doesn't want to be out of a job. Could it possibly be that you sent that incentive newletters on a random basis?
Random? jmweb only provided one, and if there were others, feel free to post it as well. That one wasn't even logged/recorded on our newsletter dispatch script, only after jmweb told me on MSN in December about it. In spite of him getting ahold of it, those statements such as holding contests, offering a free domain, etc. were not held and we never had any contest from the beginning even till now.

Quote:
Possible and likely? Do most customer read the newletters or even remember what they read? Of course not. Also YOU asking YOUR customers means nothing as we have shown that you can clearly lie flat out. The apparent newsletter? You really like to live in your own lies do you not?
As they had to change nameservers and such, some of them do remember what they received. I've got the forwarded newsletter messages from the ones I've asked so far. They don't match the one jm posted, but again for real evidence, the members of Namepros who are our customers, would likely be willing to clarify if they received any sort of incentives for their reviews and/or comments. Most of them are the ones who also posted on WHJ, so obviously it would be the best choice to ask them directly. As something coming from me is not credible, but if it's coming from them, I'm sure it's more realistic

Quote:
Yes customer numbers change frequently in this business? So what's the point?
It was mentioned that we released company information quite "freely" to jm, when indeed he was ready to make an offer. We did not present an NDA, or any formalities, however, the context of releasing such information would be useful to know.

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I have another question here.
On this page you have listed as a support staff Steven Perks, aka Dub, aka Inod, aka misdubs.
On webhostingjury one of your rave "reviews" is done by a Steven Perks. Just another coincidence?

As for hiring a minor I don't know what is worse, the fact that you would hire someone without any documentation, (are you not claiming taxes or paying GST or paying EI etc), or the fact that you would keep on an employee who lied to you about his age.
You are trusting your clients to someone who lied to you on a job application?
 
 


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  Post #85 (permalink)   02-07-2006, 04:29 PM
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I have another question here.
On this page you have listed as a support staff Steven Perks, aka Dub, aka Inod, aka misdubs.
On webhostingjury one of your rave "reviews" is done by a Steven Perks. Just another coincidence?
I mentioned above he was a customer of ours -- this was before he joined us and sold erudnet to us (it was sold to another company initially, but turned out that guy was running a scam [exovian inc. or such] so we decided to help him out by buying the site and his server that housed his clients.

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As for hiring a minor I don't know what is worse, the fact that you would hire someone without any documentation, (are you not claiming taxes or paying GST or paying EI etc), or the fact that you would keep on an employee who lied to you about his age.
You are trusting your clients to someone who lied to you on a job application?
He didn't really formally apply like the others, I decided to take him on as he was our customer and demonstrated his experience with the technical aspects of hosting. But yes, we usually do background checks, this was the one exception, and now we're aware
 
 


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  Post #86 (permalink)   02-07-2006, 04:38 PM
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I've PM'd on Namepros as I logged in from there initially after I read here. I now come here and will post the following reply-my last one



I did not hire him from those threads. I only joined recently at FWS, and knew Steve from Namepros only. He was a customer @ pnet at that time as well. We hired him only when he sold erudnet, not previously. Since I only know about his age now after you quoted the above thread, we will take action.
Good glad to hear it but it is also your responsibility to do a background check on anybody you hire. Obviously you have not done so but I hope you will in the future.

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Things change considerably since then, and did for us. As I said, we since introduced per hour employment, and thus shifted our previous policies.

I said many customers are NP Staff (mods/admins), not the fact that our staff is mostly from NP (which is another fact). Since they were with us from day one, they likely have more credibility in vouching for us.
This still does not make any excuse for lying to the WHT community does it?

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Random? jmweb only provided one, and if there were others, feel free to post it as well. That one wasn't even logged/recorded on our newsletter dispatch script, only after jmweb told me on MSN in December about it. In spite of him getting ahold of it, those statements such as holding contests, offering a free domain, etc. were not held and we never had any contest from the beginning even till now.

As they had to change nameservers and such, some of them do remember what they received. I've got the forwarded newsletter messages from the ones I've asked so far. They don't match the one jm posted, but again for real evidence, the members of Namepros who are our customers, would likely be willing to clarify if they received any sort of incentives for their reviews and/or comments. Most of them are the ones who also posted on WHJ, so obviously it would be the best choice to ask them directly. As something coming from me is not credible, but if it's coming from them, I'm sure it's more realistic



It was mentioned that we released company information quite "freely" to jm, when indeed he was ready to make an offer. We did not present an NDA, or any formalities, however, the context of releasing such information would be useful to know.
NameServers looking at your history had to be changed during your move which was done prior to the newsletter release from what my understanding is. The ones who posted on WHJ could very much be the ones that were bought out so basically what credibility can we look at in regards to them?
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NameServers looking at your history had to be changed during your move which was done prior to the newsletter release from what my understanding is. The ones who posted on WHJ could very much be the ones that were bought out so basically what credibility can we look at in regards to them?
Yes, the dates of the original newsletter (officially posted at polurnet.com/newsletter/issues/oct2005) coincided with when the jmw-posted newsletter was sent. So both emails should be received around the same time according to what is posted

The ones who posted on WHJ during Oct-Nov 2005 (when those letters were sent) are mostly, if not all, from Namepros. Since we can't provide direct client information, I tried to use the info they provided me here, but the best credibility would come from them directly. In any case, the recent Dec-Jan 2005 reviews are this time some from WHJ referrals themselves, and some from NP; those members have great reputations on NP, so they might be willing to clear the situation up by posting if they received incentives at all
 
 


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I mentioned above he was a customer of ours -- this was before he joined us and sold erudnet to us (it was sold to another company initially, but turned out that guy was running a scam [exovian inc. or such] so we decided to help him out by buying the site and his server that housed his clients.

Out of curiousity, why would he need hosting from you if he owned his own hosting company?
 
 


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I mentioned above he was a customer of ours -- this was before he joined us and sold erudnet to us (it was sold to another company initially, but turned out that guy was running a scam [exovian inc. or such] so we decided to help him out by buying the site and his server that housed his clients.
Wouldn't that mean that Steven was operating a company "ErudNet" being under 15 years of age, who does not have the legal capacity to operate a business on his own; and that you also bought something from him that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place?
I am not sure about anyone else, but before I buy anything, I personally would like to know the person I am buying this something from.

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Out of curiousity, why would he need hosting from you if he owned his own hosting company?
Good question; he was hosting his main domain with us, as we had dual xeon servers, whereas his own server was a P4. To be honest, it was really overloaded, and we had a lot of trouble transferring customers from the DimeNoc dc to ours.

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Wouldn't that mean that Steven was operating a company "ErudNet" being under 15 years of age, who does not have the legal capacity to operate a business on his own; and that you also bought something from him that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place?
I am not sure about anyone else, but before I buy anything, I personally would like to know the person I am buying this something from.

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Yes, I guess it means that, although it's not a registered company, seemed more like his FWS friends were there (all underage as well, and still active as "companies" on FWS...). As a technicality, he was "bought" by another company, but since the other company didn't follow through, we "saved" the server from being bankrupt, as we took over the bills until we got to transfer the few clients that were left
 
 
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