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  Post #16 (permalink)   02-18-2012, 03:00 PM
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There is a big difference in overselling and a server being oversold.

Everyone agrees that anything oversold is bad, but that really doesn't have anything to do with overselling.

Like it was mentioned earlier phone companies and all don't just sell to just the amount of people there lines will hold.

Your house as well I am certain that if you added up all the total amount of circuits you would find the would exceed the total amperage of your breaker panel.
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  Post #17 (permalink)   02-18-2012, 04:01 PM
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There is a big difference in overselling and a server being oversold.

Everyone agrees that anything oversold is bad, but that really doesn't have anything to do with overselling.
well if your server is not oversold like i leave mine with 30% free then how can you be overselling as their is still plenty free resources available

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Like it was mentioned earlier phone companies and all don't just sell to just the amount of people there lines will hold.
Most utility companies will do this as it will be very rare that everyone of their cusomers will be using all resources at the same time.

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Your house as well I am certain that if you added up all the total amount of circuits you would find the would exceed the total amperage of your breaker panel.
Every house will be the same as how many households will turn on all lights, place an appliance in every socket and turn them all on at the very same time. if they did this then the trip switch would trip and cut the power
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I learned about that from my father whom has been an electrician for many decades now.

He taught me about figuring loads and such. Really came in handy when I went to college and studied computers and we covered basic electricity.

The point of allowing overselling is so that the user can create packages that they wish to offer, so they have more freedom in creating their packages. It is not an invitation to run a crummy server management scheme which most people think. It just gives the reseller more control over their setup and resources.

If you search way way back you will find me making much the same statements about how rotten overselling is.
Once I moved from just hosting and started getting heavy into reseller hosting I got the full scope of the situation from end to end.
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Is it good when a reseller host allows overselling on their service?
I donot think that it is good to have a reseller hosting with having overselling allowed as i believe the day you join the web host it will be probably a new server thus performance will be good however day by day due to overselling allowed other resellers / users will have more and more domains added will start making your web hosting services slower and more slower..in name of performance, thus i will always recommend to choose a good web host which do have strict no overselling policies.
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i believe the day you join the web host it will be probably a new server
where do you get this from, do you think if you get a reseller account with a host they will give you a clean new server, well think again.

A reseller account will most likely be placed on a VPS along with other resellers, some hosts will allow overselling, but this is not recommended.

Yes if a host has a new VPS to place resellers on, then you could be the first on theat server,s o oversellign will not be an issue, but as soon as others are placed on the server then overselling will be an issue
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@easyhostmedia: yes, that is what do I mean to say in long run you get only issues with your web hosting services if you relay on a web host offering overselling with services.
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If a web hosting provider allows its Resellers to oversell, this means that many of them are overselling the resources of the underlying virtual or physical infrastructure. I don't think that anyone who is serious about the Reseller Hosting business would be happy to find out that the resources or the account are not guaranteed.
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Is it good when a reseller host allows overselling on their service?
that would depend on the host....

overselling is allocating more than you have...

so i have a very small 20GB server (for imagination's sake)

user1 comes along and buy's my 10GB package
user2 comes along and buys another 10gb package
user3 comes along and buys another 10gb package (i officially ran out of space 10GB ago)

but user1 only has a small php wordpress site with two e-mail accounts and is using 500mb (in total, with databases)

user2 has a few downloads on their joomla site and run's a small software company they use 1.5GB

user3 is just learning php but might want to put a proper website up one day and uses the domain name for e-mail 1GB


so as you can see the total used is 3GB
the total allocated is 30GB (i've oversold by 50%)

but as long as the processor, ram usage isn't topping out. The user's disk requirement's aren't too likely to change drastically (very often)



now onto reseller overselling...

your reseller buy's 10 gb and you allow him to sell 40 gb to his users (if he goe's over 10GB usage he has to upgrade with you)

but it's the same thing overselling is what's allocated not what's used.

don't confuse overselling with overloading (a practice used by a lot of the unlimited host's to cram hundreds and thousands of websites on a server) which does affect performance of site loading speed, uptime, reliability

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I let the resellers on my hosting oversell, but I don't give them unlimited resources.

This forces them to manage everything their customers are doing and only upgrade their plans when necessary.

Also because each reseller has their own IP, it's easy to move reseller from one machine to another should it be necessary (rarely) due to an overloaded server.

So I would say that Unlimited Accounts are bad, Overloaded Servers are bad, Overselling is NOT so bad if the capacity planning is done regularly.

Remember: A single site can overload a server if it is very poorly coded, or gets mentioned on a very popular site like slashdot.

If you get a site get too popular, on shared hosting you have to ask them to move to an alternate form of hosting, VPS or dedicated. This is something we don't like to do, but it is a necessary party of capacity planning. It's good to do this early as well, before you server suffers, not after it has suffered.
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I let the resellers on my hosting oversell, but I don't give them unlimited resources.

I myself do not oversell.

This forces them to manage everything their customers are doing and only upgrade their plans when necessary.
Also because each reseller has their own IP, it's easy to move reseller from one machine to another should it be necessary.

So I would save that Unlimited Accounts are bad, Oversold Servers are bad, Overselling is NOT so bad if the capacity planning is done regularly.
i dont oversell or allow my resellers to oversell, if they get near limited, i just upsell them a higher plan or their own VPS
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You should not be overselling. Especially not a reseller plan.
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Overselling is nt bad if you monitor the resources and add additional resources, slave servers.
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Overselling can be dangerous in one way specially when you're about to run out of disk space on your main server due to it
 
 
 


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Overselling can be dangerous in one way specially when you're about to run out of disk space on your main server due to it
agreed if you dont managed servers correctly.

as stated before we dont oversell, but we keep our servers at 70% with direct accounts, so this allows resellers some leeway in space. if needed we wil move accounts to other servers with he permission of the acount holders. so far no one has complained about this.
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For resellers, I think having overselling enabled is crucial to getting your company off the ground. The trick is making sure your upstream (the company you are purchasing your reseller account from, is not overselling).

Either way, whether you have a reseller account or have your own set of dedicated/colo servers. Offering sustainable/realistic web hosting plans is the way to go.
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