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  Post #16 (permalink)   01-04-2014, 12:19 AM
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So, morality is not in your business model...Do you think I did my school here in North America were money is more important than morality and knowledge ? I didn't
Now overselling is product of geography, and you've insulted an entire continent. Sheesh.

Save the holier-than-thou attitude. Why worry about a speck in my eye when their is a log in yours. Anyone who sells 110 GB hosting plans and boasts on their site they don't oversell are liars. Or are you going to tell us you really would host only 9 sites on a server with 1 TB storage?

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  Post #17 (permalink)   01-04-2014, 06:25 AM
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That is what you get in return. Downtime and frequent FTP disconnections and many times failures of database-driven software. If you are ok with that then you can over sale beyond 20%. May be not bad for you but the clients will mind and when they do they will run away from you. Honesty is a virtue in business.
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  Post #18 (permalink)   01-04-2014, 09:23 AM
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This is the myth of overselling. A server will perform the same with X number of sites no matter how those sites got there -- by overselling or no overselling. Its the hosting plan that determines overselling, not the server.

You can oversell one day and stop overselling the next day just by merely changing a disk space bullet point in hosting plan. Sites on server will not change, server performance will not change between those two days. Servers don't respond to hosting plans -- they cannot read. What you are referring to is overloading -- too many sites on a server. Overselling and overloading are two different things.

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Now overselling is product of geography, and you've insulted an entire continent. Sheesh.

Save the holier-than-thou attitude. Why worry about a speck in my eye when their is a log in yours. Anyone who sells 110 GB hosting plans and boasts on their site they don't oversell are liars. Or are you going to tell us you really would host only 9 sites on a server with 1 TB storage?
Did you hear about servers with raid-10. If not please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_10#RAID_1.2B0

Learn more and you see it is possible to host 9 or more users with 110G on the same server.


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Did you hear about servers with raid-10.
Learn more and you see it is possible to host 9 or more users with 110G on the same server.
There is nothing to learn except basic arithmetic. You cannot sell 110 GB plans and provision more than 9 sites without overselling if you have 1 TB of usable storage space

I'll illustrate:

We'll continue to use ROWEBCA's 110 GB plan and assume he is honest when he claims on his site "we don't oversell"

Let's say our server has enough ram and cpu to comfortably handle 500 average sites

9 hosting plans at 110 GB each requires 990 GB of disk space. 1 tb is 1,000 GB. Thus with a no overselling policy, only 9 sites can be provisioned. Yet we have enough ram and cpu for 491 more sites

At todays hosting prices, you will lose money with this configuration, or you will need to overcharge customer. That's because you have unallocated and wasted resources. Very inefficient.

Now let us suppose that the average web site is 5 GB. We can fit 200 of these sites on the 1 TB storage. The other server resources can handle 500 -- we are 300 sites under overloading.

This configuration allows us to sell 200 110 GB plans (5 GB x 200 sites = 1 TB) -- over 20 TB of hosting plans on 1 TB! That is overselling by a factor of 20! With overselling I need only 1 server while the "we don't oversell" host will need more than 20 servers (200 divided by 9)

Moreover we have only 200 sites on our server that can easily handle 500 sites. And we can now make a profit and sell quality hosting at a decent rate.

You can read the article I wrote here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Overselling

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We'll continue to use ROWEBCA's 110 GB plan and assume he is honest when he claims on his site "we don't oversell"


At todays hosting prices, you will lose money with this configuration, or you will need to overcharge customer. That's because you have unallocated and wasted resources. Very inefficient.

You can read the article I wrote here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Overselling

If you pay attention what I wrote in my posts here I never associate or make a referring to your business name, and I won't. I just talk about "overselling" and "unlimited disk space". You can give me any information that you have, I know there is nu such thing like "unlimited disk space". So when a company is telling to their customers about this, that company is lying because it is not true. If you are agree or not It is your problem, like I am free (I hope) to say my opinion, again any post I made here I didn't use your business name or your business model, everything I said was like an opinion. Please act like I act.

Do not think that who is not with us is against us...

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^No problem with the math?
 
 
 


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Overselling should be done only when it is possible. I think it is depending on the processor or computer power. I mean that overselling is not necessarily a good thing but it is not necessarily bad either. Overselling is OK if it is done by very carefully , right and meaningful statistical way.
 
 
 


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Overselling is a big no no, you can end up with very laggy and slow server, which will just make your clients and income overall worse.
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It seems we still can't comprehend the difference between the terms overselling and overloading. Overselling has absolutely nothing to do with processors, lag etc...
 
 
 


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I totally agree with those guys who say that Overloading is a bad idea. Keep away from it
 
 
 


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It seems we still can't comprehend the difference between the terms overselling and overloading. Overselling has absolutely nothing to do with processors, lag etc...
Yeah. Even when you put the correct info in front of their faces they still don't get it.
 
 
 


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Yeah. Even when you put the correct info in front of their faces they still don't get it.
You, for sure will succeed in business, because you are more a politician, not using morality. The flaw in your article (made up to cover the overselling process) is this:

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Use good judgment when looking at web hosts. Bear in mind that people who rent servers will be paying between $79 and $499 a month for a typical web hosting server. If a host is saying "1GB space and 10GB bandwidth for $1 a year," then they need at least 1000 customers on a $79 a month server to make a profit. And at $79 a month, the server won't be very powerful.
Retrieved from "https://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Overselling"
You gave this example, just to justify the unlimited disk space, that is unreal, not TRUE, a big lie. Tell me who is selling webhosting for 1$ / year (8.3 cents / month), probably only you. Keep those things for yourself, or for a daycare kids, who will believe this.

A simple example with a server (let's say 32 GB, Raid-10 - 4*1TB (2TB usable, with a cost of 180$) I can put on a server 70 accounts of 10G (700G and 70 * $3 = $210) and 10 accounts of 110 GB (1100GB and 10 * $9 = $90) so I'll have on that server 80 accounts with $300 so my profit will be 300 - 180 = $120 / month (without selling my morality, or overselling). Of course this is just an example but you can do more profit in some cases without overselling.

Overloading is the effect of overselling, are 2 different things, you are right in this case.

You see , you can do moral business, and to have profit.


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A simple example with a server (let's say 32 GB, Raid-10 - 4*1TB (2TB usable, with a cost of 180$)
Where do you get a server and all the related services like that for $180/mo

Are you willing to open your server and hoting stats to us to prove that your advertising of "we do not oversell" is true while offering 110 GB hosting plans for under ten bucks?

You do seem to enjoy telling everyone that they are immoral. Just words without the documentation


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You gave this example, just to justify the unlimited disk space,
My article and these posts are about overselling disk space, not unlimited disk space.

Ignorance is immoral

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Hi,

What do you think is oversale a advantage or a disadvantage for a host. People check the same feature if available.
Hi there,

It can be an advantage for the provider as he puts as many customers as possible on the server. However, there is a disadvantage both for the customer as for the provider as well: if you oversell, most likely the performence will be affected. If the customer if not happy, he will leave, therefore there's no point in overselling with the risk of losing your customers. Where's the gain in that?
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