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  Post #16 (permalink)   02-06-2018, 06:07 PM
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If you searched EIG then you would have read all the negative reviews of them


Yes people look for the lowest price and that is why we have the kiddie hosts on ebay selling unlimited everything reseller plans for $2 a year and when these fail people come to us.


These big dogs have huge budgets, huge staff levels and all you are to them is a number and $$

us little dogs can in no way compete with them, you just have to find your own niche and use it to your advantage. The main advantage of being a small host is you treat your customers as friends and offer a personal service.
Good words. That's basically what my company is, but I do need it to grow more. So even though I can't chop the numbers like the huge companies do. I can still chop them more in hopes of gaining new clients. I know I won't become anything like the giants and I don't want to. But I want to compete enough that my company grows.
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Good words. That's basically what my company is, but I do need it to grow more. So even though I can't chop the numbers like the huge companies do. I can still chop them more in hopes of gaining new clients. I know I won't become anything like the giants and I don't want to. But I want to compete enough that my company grows.
But you don't need to do it with pricing. You already mentioned that quality is risk if you drop your prices. So why not figure out a different way to compete without hurting your business in the long term?
 
 
 


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Good words. That's basically what my company is, but I do need it to grow more. So even though I can't chop the numbers like the huge companies do. I can still chop them more in hopes of gaining new clients. I know I won't become anything like the giants and I don't want to. But I want to compete enough that my company grows.
looking at your website, you offer limited domain registrations as rather expensive and you dont offer SSl certs.

you should look at these. take a look at resellerclub and TheSSLstore.com.

also sell your IPs as single IPs and not just blocks of 8
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But you don't need to do it with pricing. You already mentioned that quality is risk if you drop your prices. So why not figure out a different way to compete without hurting your business in the long term?
I may have to do what is easiest for me. One thing I might do is give away free hosting to new customers for a certain period of time.
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looking at your website, you offer limited domain registrations as rather expensive and you dont offer SSl certs.

you should look at these. take a look at resellerclub and TheSSLstore.com.

also sell your IPs as single IPs and not just blocks of 8
I do sell SSI certificates.

I do offer IP based hosting and the domain only has one IP. The blocks of 8 are for the larger accounts.

I allow clients to order as many domains as they want. I barely make any money on domain names once I take on a small amount to my wholesale cost.
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Well I started my hosting business around 10 years back, at that time I used to thought that after 10 years I will be millionaire it did not happened but atleast I am not doing day job.

Now for some I am running successful business, but for me its not very successful as from the beginning my expectations were high and I saw big dreams.

You learn with time, experience of 10 years but still what I lack is marketing expertise. That is what make the difference, find someone who is very good in marketing and you will go.

Now for you it seem like you are not either technical person hire someone to update your website design, people livelihood depend on their website they will not trust who have bad design.
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Well I started my hosting business around 10 years back, at that time I used to thought that after 10 years I will be millionaire it did not happened but atleast I am not doing day job.

Now for some I am running successful business, but for me its not very successful as from the beginning my expectations were high and I saw big dreams.

You learn with time, experience of 10 years but still what I lack is marketing expertise. That is what make the difference, find someone who is very good in marketing and you will go.

Now for you it seem like you are not either technical person hire someone to update your website design, people livelihood depend on their website they will not trust who have bad design.
Actually I am a technical person. I went to school for computer programing.
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My own 0.02 on the topic:

I started my first online 'business' years ago. I'm not talking about the hobby I used to pass the time (mud hosting) , but the first genuine business that I felt could take me away from my 'day job'. In 2002, it took me about 4 months to realize my potential and leave my day job.

That being said, I do not recommend doing this today, or to anyone who is looking for a hosting company. Sorry kids, but you're not going to get there for years to come.

My trick? I have never sold 'hosting' to supply my main income. I provide the services that keep those companies running. Whether it's server administration to WHMCS administration, manipulation, etc... It's where the money is. Screw selling 'hosting'. That's a child's game that (literally) children are getting into every summer because 'bored'.

My second trick? I spent YEARS enveloping myself in what I was doing before I dared to call myself a systems admin, or a programmer. We're talking probably 5 years, with no Windows, nothing but a Linux PC, modifying the hell out of it, breaking it, fixing it, programming various crap . I (almost) miss those days... You're not going to get anywhere just trying to 'own your host'. Again, that's childs play. Go to work as an apprentice for a host, work your way from the mail room up to management, as it were... Get the know how before you get into things.
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My own 0.02 on the topic:

I started my first online 'business' years ago. I'm not talking about the hobby I used to pass the time (mud hosting) , but the first genuine business that I felt could take me away from my 'day job'. In 2002, it took me about 4 months to realize my potential and leave my day job.

That being said, I do not recommend doing this today, or to anyone who is looking for a hosting company. Sorry kids, but you're not going to get there for years to come.

My trick? I have never sold 'hosting' to supply my main income. I provide the services that keep those companies running. Whether it's server administration to WHMCS administration, manipulation, etc... It's where the money is. Screw selling 'hosting'. That's a child's game that (literally) children are getting into every summer because 'bored'.

My second trick? I spent YEARS enveloping myself in what I was doing before I dared to call myself a systems admin, or a programmer. We're talking probably 5 years, with no Windows, nothing but a Linux PC, modifying the hell out of it, breaking it, fixing it, programming various crap . I (almost) miss those days... You're not going to get anywhere just trying to 'own your host'. Again, that's childs play. Go to work as an apprentice for a host, work your way from the mail room up to management, as it were... Get the know how before you get into things.
I agree, i see many on ebay and these increase during the summer holidays, these kids will get a unlimited everything reseller plan from Ebay for a few $$ a year and call themselves a webhost, they dont even have their own website and will just sell again of ebay and use paypal for taking payments and when something goes wrong they just vanish as they have no idea what they are doing. I sometimes for fun will ask some of these so called hosts simple questions and see if they reply. I once asked 1 of them if they offered dedicated IPS and DNS hosting and was shocked when they replied with 'what is a dedicated IP and what is DNS' and you will get poor victims sign up with these to host their websites
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That being said, I do not recommend doing this today, or to anyone who is looking for a hosting company. Sorry kids, but you're not going to get there for years to come.
That honestly apply for anything your wanting to do. Want to start a lawn care business? It will still take you more than a summer to have a full blown shop.

Want to have your own "fix it" garage? You has to start from the bottom and work your way up to owning your repair shop and so on.

With that said, no one should do ANY business if they don't plan on doing it for several months if not a year or so before they get meaningful results.
 
 
 
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In the UK HMRC state it can take 12 months for any business to start to make any sort of profit.
lucky for me i was already in business when i started my hosting business ( which i started on a simple reseller account) so was making a profit from day 1, when after 4 years i moved to a VPS, my profit from hosting drops slightly while i spent the time getting all the various addons for the server, but was still making a profit and still am
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When I started my web hosting company I had hoped it would grow enough to take me away from my day job. I hoped to eventually live in an RV and live in the warmest area of the US depending on the time of year. But that hasn't come close to even happening. I don't even have enough clients that I earn any money. Maybe I need to advertise more but with money as tight as it is it's hard to get many ads out there.
My advice is to spend your advertising budget wisely! make sure ads are optimized as much as possible to get the best value for money, and don't just use one method of advertising, try many and find what works for you and delivers the best results, also good SEO will help you get more organic traffic.
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My own 0.02 on the topic:

I started my first online 'business' years ago. I'm not talking about the hobby I used to pass the time (mud hosting) , but the first genuine business that I felt could take me away from my 'day job'. In 2002, it took me about 4 months to realize my potential and leave my day job.

That being said, I do not recommend doing this today, or to anyone who is looking for a hosting company. Sorry kids, but you're not going to get there for years to come.

My trick? I have never sold 'hosting' to supply my main income. I provide the services that keep those companies running. Whether it's server administration to WHMCS administration, manipulation, etc... It's where the money is. Screw selling 'hosting'. That's a child's game that (literally) children are getting into every summer because 'bored'.

My second trick? I spent YEARS enveloping myself in what I was doing before I dared to call myself a systems admin, or a programmer. We're talking probably 5 years, with no Windows, nothing but a Linux PC, modifying the hell out of it, breaking it, fixing it, programming various crap . I (almost) miss those days... You're not going to get anywhere just trying to 'own your host'. Again, that's childs play. Go to work as an apprentice for a host, work your way from the mail room up to management, as it were... Get the know how before you get into things.
Actually, about 16 years ago I ran my sites on my own linux server out of my home on a dedicated wire. I did everything in the configuration files, setting up the websites, forwarding the domain names to the right directory, setting up email addresses and forwards, etc all in the configuration files. I didn't have cPanel back then It was bare bones server administration. So why do you suggest I don't know the back end of a Linux environment?
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Get in touch with your customers. Try to know why they love and use your service, what are your strength and weaknesses. Develop on your strength.

Leverage the power of social media to your advantage. It's a cheap way to market yourself. With the knowledge you got from your customers, use it ad your selling point on social media.

Social media marketing ain't that hard if you dedicate some of your time to it.
Find your niche, know your customers. Personalise your message to address those set of customers.
Let people find your presence online an interesting one that suggesting to them to try out your hosting service won't be met by "Nahhh, Nop or Not Me".

What I'm trying to pass across is this: Work on your brand image. What do you want your future customers to perceive you as?
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One thing I would not do is give away free hosting in the hope of converting your customers to paid customers.

1. Free hosting attracts the worst people
2. You'll be tempted to keep the costs down as to not make a loss.
3, You will end up with miscreants on poor hardware.
4. You end up with complaints posted about the above.
5. Even people who want to pay, get put off by the bad publicity of free hosting.

I think many of us realised long ago, it's easy to attract people to free hosting. Much harder to convert. I
n fact we've spent a long time ensuring we keep profitable customers and shed the freeloaders (or people who create more problem than money).
This I believe has resulted in better services for the remaining customers.

95% of your problems will come from 5% of your customers.

95% of those problems tend to be people who want everything for 2/month

(Ok those stats are what it feels like and not based in fact, but you get the point).

If you lose the people who consistently raise tickets for things they could google easily, that will be better than attracting freeloaders that will damage your bottom line.

Just ask yourself, would you want to share a server with non paying customers?
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