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  Post #1 (permalink)   03-06-2013, 12:55 PM
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(Reuters) - The European Union fined Microsoft Corp 561 million euros ($731 million) on Wednesday for failing to offer users a choice of web browser, an unprecedented sanction that will act as a warning to other firms involved in EU antitrust disputes.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...b-browser.html
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Saw that, I am taking a wild guess MS will fight like crazy against it. Not sure it is worth it for EU to go after them so much, their %age has dropped insanely.
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Saw that, I am taking a wild guess MS will fight like crazy against it. Not sure it is worth it for EU to go after them so much, their %age has dropped insanely.
MS will most likely just pay the fine as the commission will be able to prove MS broke a LEGALLY binding agreement, so it would cost MS more in legal fees

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In all, the company has now paid a total of 2.2 billion euro (1.9 billion) in fines to the commission since it began its first investigation into the company's abuse of market power linked to its dominant Windows operating systems in 1998.
I think MS has to learn even as big as they are they have to comply with the laws of countries they trade in and if they break LEGALLY binding agreements they must pay the consequences
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Didn't read the article, but from the two sentences you posted this sounds like a ridiculous charge.

You are a software-maker. Of course you'd be pushing your own product through it. They didn't offer a choice? Anyone can go and install whatever browser they want on Windows.
 
 
 
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Didn't read the article, but from the two sentences you posted this sounds like a ridiculous charge.

You are a software-maker. Of course you'd be pushing your own product through it. They didn't offer a choice? Anyone can go and install whatever browser they want on Windows.
but Microsoft signed a LEGAL contract/agreement to provide its users a choice of browsers,which they did on some versions but this choice was left out on windows 7 service pack 1 between mid-2011 and mid-2012 for some reason, so MS broke the agreement. the file will of most likely took into account on how many window 7 installs were sold in that time frame.
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Google Snitched on Microsoft Who Must Now Pay a $732 Million Fine

The tired spat between Google and Microsoft just got a lot more interesting after reports that the search giant tipped off European authorities to antitrust concerns, a tip that will now cost the Windows-maker nearly a billion dollars.


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I think in the days ahead the level of being interesting is going to rise. We have been watching this close and it is all talk around the office as to how it is going to pan out. Of course paying the fine and moving on is easy for a large company but actually showing the remorse and lesson learned is better (as a decent company stand).
 
 
 


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I think in the days ahead the level of being interesting is going to rise. We have been watching this close and it is all talk around the office as to how it is going to pan out. Of course paying the fine and moving on is easy for a large company but actually showing the remorse and lesson learned is better (as a decent company stand).
but all MS has done so far when they have been fined since 1998 is just pay the fines and show no remorse and i dare say they will continue to break agreements and then just pay their fines.
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what about the default broswers on android phones and iphones? nothing from the EU about that
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what about the default broswers on android phones and iphones? nothing from the EU about that
because if you go into google play (android) and iTunes (iphones) you can download apps of other browsers.
i have a blackberry and Blackberry Playbook and hate the default browser so i downloaded the maxthon browser on my playbook and never browse on my blackberry
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Yes, and with MS you can go download other browsers as well.
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Yes, and with MS you can go download other browsers as well.
but with MS when they signed the LEGAL agreements they agreed to give users a chose at the install stage, which they failed to do with windows 7 service pack 1, therefore breaking a legal agreement.

but it this way. someone comes to you and says they want 5 dedicated servers and they make you sign a legal contract/agreement to provide these. you sign along with them, they pay you, but then you dont provide the servers, so they take you to court and provide the legally signed agreement. what do you think will happen? would the court say to you it OK. i dare say they would fine you for breach of contract.

its the same with MS they signed a legal document to provide a service to its users which they failed to do so got fined for it
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I got it, they signed a LEGAL document. I just think the document was mistaken to begin with, yes they broke that LEGAL document, does not make the idea behind the document valid.
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I got it, they signed a LEGAL document. I just think the document was mistaken to begin with, yes they broke that LEGAL document, does not make the idea behind the document valid.
i bet that Microsofts Legal agents went over the document with a fine toothcomb and had weeks of it going back and forth until both sides were happy before it was ever signed. so they would have been fully aware of any penalties if they broke it
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The EU/EC is just full of sh*t and hot air.
And no, i don't like Microsoft at all. I'm all for fining Microsoft, even fining it with a much bigger fine, for selling crap software. Still, the EU/EC is full of sh*t and hot air.
 
 
 
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