Virtuozzo is the way to go

It's features, stability, and level of support leads me heavily to agree with you. But what of those who are completely content with openvz and simply need a simple panel for customers to perform simple taks like re/boot, rebuild, and view usage? I'm by no means a "partner" or a large enough provider to get substantial discounts, but I'm looking at $50/month for 10VEs and although I'd max out most nodes at 5-6, at 10 that's $45 more a month than with HyperVM.. To me it's worth the extra cost, but consider that many VPS customers will rarely even use the panel if they've got a fair knowledge of shell and/or have something like cPanel. I'd hate to pass that extra cost to customers if it's not truely needed.

For now I think everyone is just going to deal the best they can with things, and go for the best solution they can find

I'm personally waiting for deployment of a new batch of servers and since early this week I've been going back and forth between Virtuozzo and doing everything manually via openvz until I can find something that fits, or develop a custom solution.

However, I am currently in discussion with a developer of an existing open source panel who's recently started supporting the project again. This may or may not be "the solution" many are looking for as it will take some time for me to redesign everything and either get it integrated into WHMCS or a provisioning module in place..

Virtuozzo is an expensive option unless you have a partners portal and get the lower rates. cPanel is the same. $55-$65/month depending where you buy it, or if you're a partner you can get the cPanel rate dropped WAYYY down.

But by the time you add your control panel, the Virutozzo software, the server fees etc, there's very little money to be made on a handful of servers unless you're overloading them, and then that creates all sorts of NEW problems!

Fingers crossed you find a solution that works for you. Keep us in the loop.

As for KT, it would have been nice for him to stick around and answer to the claims by Vaserv that it was a HyperVM exploit, or if it was a security/management issue on the part of the hosting company. We may never know

If you're going to use Virtuozzo there's no doubt you have to structure things "just right", but you can make some money without overloading them. This is the obvious reason that you pay more for a Virtuozzo VPS. It's also very important that your provider(DC) works with you on license pricing

Virtuozzo doesn't really have a large(if any) presence in the budget VPS market, but that all depends on how the hosts does business

Yep, I agree. Very few VPS providers are providing Virtuozzo on a low end scale, but like you said, I guess it can depend how much of a loss a company wants to foot or if the host is building a client base.

The one that bothers me is VPS with cPanel and a memory allocation of 128MB (with, or without burst). The problem is that cPanel alone takes almost 128MB to run - and then the user is left complaining about slow responses on the server or potential crashes etc. But that's how marketing is done at some places

Has the experience with this VPS crisis enticed you to the Cloud Hosting world at all? Maybe that's a new thread

A customer couldn't pay me $200/month to put cPanel on anything less than 512mb, seriously! It's just too much of a hassle. I don't focus on small VPS anyways, so it's not generally a problem. I personally recommend at least 1GB for cPanel.. The more the better!

New thread for sure, but I'm throwing around ideas, and have some plans for it still in the works

The company I was looking at is too expsensive so I am stuck with hypervm at the moment. Also, HyperVM might be macking a come back as the new owner is working this out. He is getting developers together, gunna talk the father so he can get the source code...Also, is gunna work on getting the domain, pp account, and company registered to him (with the guys father of course).

HyperVM might come back and be better than before.

Yeah I've heard that too.. It kind of makes it hard to know what to do.. A lot of people are in limbo right now. I guess you could just stop HyperVM access to customers, inform them of the situation and see how it pans out..

The way I see it, if it made financial sense for all, everyone using openVZ would be use Virtuozzo. So if you can make it work you can't really go wrong with it.. Looks like I'm setting up new nodes with Virtuozzo for the time being and if it works out I'd be happy to go back to HyperVM

Well, I use XEN and virtuozzuo doesnt suppot XEN does it? Also, virtuozzo is kind of exspensive as well.

Virtuozzo is OpenVZ based, so no. Price is relative IMO. Many providers need to make $X just to get by with all the overhead, etc.. But I'm not really in that kind of position.. I'm happy with just providing a quality service and paying for my own hosting

Price is definitely relative. We get a decent discount on our Virtuozzo accounts as we have many machines configured for it.

The more you spend, the more you make - isn't that how it goes? That's what my old girlfriend used to say anyway - "Look honey, I got 500 rolls of toilet paper and saved $10.00!!!" Her math on "savings" was a little off some times

lol conor..."500 roles" wow. Anyways, I am found some other control panels and was wondering if anyone had any experiences with them or know someone who has? I am just trying to best cost effected cp for my vps business. Also, I want the quality to be good as well.

http://www.xengrid.co.uk/home
http://www.karesansui-project.info/
http://www.virtualcomplete.com/

http://ispsystem.com/en/software/vdsmanager/ seems to be the best choice at the moment.. Other than Virtuozzo.. I'm kind of stuck in a bind here, where I ordered my Virtuozzo licenses Thursday and still haven't got them. Being that they only issue them on business days it's either I have to wait, or do something else

I don't want to wait. Honestly I've been at this for near a week now, spent a lot of my own money, and have been staying awake for as long as I possibly can: 32hours up, 8 down.. As you can see my schedule is all messed up. I guess it's because I'm a perfectionist in many ways.. I could have thrown a mediocre software on the servers Thursday and been online then, but there's a good chance that I'd need to migrate once again so..

I know Virtuozzo has a trial, from what I've read it's just time limited, but it doesn't say how long. I'm sure none of my customers would mind the panel saying "this is a trial" until Moday, much like cPanel does for 15 days...?

No idea, never used virtuozzo. Also, thanks for the comment on the software.

HyperVM was fine and affordable. Apparently that guy from the WHT topic has phoned his father and is going to talk about the future of the project later.